Spirituality
20 Oct 18
21 Oct 18
@divegeester saidI did.
Everything in my OP from Revelation 19 is metaphorical including eternal suffering references such as the throwing into the lake of fire.
If you disagree please feel completely free to be unequivocal in saying so. Thanks.
I said, "The terms used are metaphorical descriptions of a literal reality of events that will occur that are beyond your ability to comprehend with the natural mind."
21 Oct 18
@secondson saidWhat does this mean then?
No. I didn't say all the terms are metaphorical. You did.
Lol.
21 Oct 18
@divegeester saidIt means that all you are able to do is state an opinion.
What does this mean then?
Lol.
The narrative in question exists for a reason, and not merely for your amusement. The terms that are metaphorical describe a literal reality that the natural mind cannot conceive, like light waves the eye can't see, or sound beyond the range of the ear.
I get it that the idea of "hell" is abhorrent to you, that's understandable, it is to me too, but what I don't get is how you can think that by saying it is "metaphorical" that it means it doesn't exist as a reality, especially since so much of the scripture is devoted to its description.
@divegeester saidYour confusion is what is hilarious. You appear to be hysterical now.
SecondSon one minute you say the terms are metaphorical, then you say you didn't say it, then you say they are again.
Hilarious.
Loss of focus. Weakening of concentration. Rational dissonance. Evidence of the inability to cope and grapple with concepts too difficult to understand by the natural mind.
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21 Oct 18
@divegeester saidYou should add your own name to the list as well.
Decliners so far:
KellyJay (later decided it was all literal, all of it)
Chaney3
SecondSon
dj2becker
ThinkofOne (not a Christian but a claimed follower of some of the words of Jesus but only while he was on earth)
Sonship
21 Oct 18
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@chaney3 saidIf there was no doubt then you would have not faith, and if you had no faith then there would be no religion, and if there was no religion then we would have world wide theocracy everyone would have to accept, and if we had theocracy we would have no freedom.
I'm a Christian.
Maybe not a good one, because of doubt, but I am a Christian.
21 Oct 18
@kellyjay saidSo the 'Son of Man coming in his kingdom' in Matthew 16:28 relates to the Resurrected Jesus, not the second coming?
Yes
21 Oct 18
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThe second coming has not occurred yet, but He has risen from the dead, and more than a handful saw Him after that.
So the 'Son of Man coming in his kingdom' in Matthew 16:28 relates to the Resurrected Jesus, not the second coming?
21 Oct 18
@secondson saidYou said you didn’t say they were metaphors and you did! twice!
It means that all you are able to do is state an opinion.
The narrative in question exists for a reason, and not merely for your amusement. The terms that are metaphorical describe a literal reality that the natural mind cannot conceive, like light waves the eye can't see, or sound beyond the range of the ear.
I get it that the idea of "hell" is abhorrent to you, that ...[text shortened]... doesn't exist as a reality, especially since so much of the scripture is devoted to its description.
Your dodging and deflecting is hilarious. You hold to indefensible beliefs about eternal torture and simply cannot decide if the stuff in Revelation is literal of not.
No wonder the atheists laugh.
21 Oct 18
@secondson saidAre the terms in from Revelation in my OP literal or not?
Your confusion is what is hilarious. You appear to be hysterical now.
Loss of focus. Weakening of concentration. Rational dissonance. Evidence of the inability to cope and grapple with concepts too difficult to understand by the natural mind.
It’s a simple question big tough man. Come on.
21 Oct 18
@whodey saidAnd where there is no freedom there is fear.
If there was no doubt then you would have not faith, and if you had no faith then there would be no religion, and if there was no religion then we would have world wide theocracy everyone would have to accept, and if we had theocracy we would have no freedom.
21 Oct 18
@ghost-of-a-duke saidIt can mean both, but from the context, since Jesus' disciples were who Jesus was talking to, and they did not die before his resurrection, "coming in his kingdom" is a reference to his resurrection, which is necessary to enter the kingdom.
So the 'Son of Man coming in his kingdom' in Matthew 16:28 relates to the Resurrected Jesus, not the second coming?
Seeing Jesus after His resurrection is seeing Him "coming in his kingdom", then, and all the way out to the end of the millennium.
Those who believe in the death, burial and resurrection "see" the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ and are presently in the kingdom, which will come to fruition at His literal second advent.
Have no doubt. No matter how anyone tries to "ToO it", not a single prophecy will fail. Jesus is coming, and He will establish His kingdom on this earth.
Get in now!