Morality without a deity.

@fmf said
Humans find or create their own meaning and purpose in life.

That was the fall of man right there, we would create our own way, we will know what good and evil are by our knowledge. Failing to grasp that God understood it by being purely good, Adam and Eve understood good and evil by taking in evil into our nature corrupting ourselves. So we get it now, by experiencing the consequences of evil being played out in real life, to horror of us all.

@kellyjay said
Yes, with God things line up as He designed them. You by design would be made in the image of God. You have worth beyond measure, your creator loves you as you are without question.

These ideas have a bearing on your moral compass. That is how it works.

@kellyjay said
The cockroach would simply be a bug to you, something to keep out of your house.

I live near the equator. I do take measures against cockroaches and try to keep them out of my house.

@fmf said
"The abstract" is what it makes being a human being so wonderful and it makes this finite existence that we have such an amazing opportunity.

Great live, die, vanish, just eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow you die than nothing if there is nothing. Cannot take your experiences with you, they will in time be meaningless no different than everything you love here. If all there is, is nothing.

I don't believe that is true, I think it does matter, but without God no.

@fmf said
I live near the equator. I do take measures against cockroaches and try to keep them out of my house.

I lived on Guam for a couple of years, those there were huge! I saw one cause a lizard backway. 🙂 They flew too.

@kellyjay said
That was the fall of man right there, we would create our own way, we will know what good and evil are by our knowledge. Failing to grasp that God understood it by being purely good, Adam and Eve understood good and evil by taking in evil into our nature corrupting ourselves. So we get it now, by experiencing the consequences of evil being played out in real life, to horror of us all.

Well, it's your prerogative [again] to post this religious material. There'd be theists reading it who think you're right. But to me it's mythology. I don't find credible any claim you make about what "God understood" or what "God did" or what "God thought" or any claim you make about there being two people called "Adam and Eve" and "the fall of man".

But, if believing all this stuff means you don't act in a morally unsound way, and if your religious beliefs generally help you to cope with life ~ including being a moral agent, personally responsible for your decisions and actions ~ then that's good.

@kellyjay said
Great live, die, vanish, just eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow you die than nothing if there is nothing.

There is indeed "nothing" after we die, that's right. We all "vanish", that's right too. Why would I believe otherwise? There's more to my life than "just eat, drink, and be merry". If that's all you would do with your human capacities of you were not religious, then you should stick with your religion.

@fmf said
Well, it's your prerogative [again] to post this religious material. There'd be theists reading it who think you're right. But to me it's mythology. I don't find credible any claim you make about what "God understood" or what "God did" or what "God thought" or any claim you make about there being two people called "Adam and Eve" and "the fall of man".

But, if believing all th ...[text shortened]... ding being a moral agent, personally responsible for your decisions and actions ~ then that's good.

You can claim its a myth nothing wrong with that, it doesn't mean it isn't true. The logic behind life being all equal isn't a myth if there isn't any purpose behind it all, it then just becomes chemicals moving through time in the form of various lifeforms, none more special than the next, even within species.

A meaningful life has to have meaning, if its all hardwired materialism, than you don't even have freewill, your simply walking out your DNA.

@kellyjay said
Cannot take your experiences with you, they will in time be meaningless no different than everything you love here. If all there is, is nothing.

I don't have a problem with that fact that we "cannot take your experiences with us". I don't believe there is any place to "take them to". I don't have any problem with mortality. I also don't need to have a belief system that replaces mortality with immortality in order to find meaning and purpose during my finite existence.

@kellyjay said
You can claim its a myth nothing wrong with that, it doesn't mean it isn't true.

The fact that you see it as not mythology does not create any imperative for me to act in accordance with your beliefs or to subscribe to them.

@kellyjay said
A meaningful life has to have meaning,

I have already told you what my take is on "meaning" and "a meaningful life".

@fmf said
There is indeed "nothing" after we die, that's right. We all "vanish", that's right too. Why would I believe otherwise? There's more to my life than "just eat, drink, and be merry". If that's all you would do with your human capacities of you were not religious, then you should stick with your religion.

You realize with this thought process that we all just vanish, all things have become as morally acceptable as the next? You have a strong beliefs about right and wrong, I actually admire that about you, I don't agree with your views but like the fact you mix it up. Nonetheless, those without barriers for their actions can do things thinking that this is all acceptable, and in a world without any real moral compasses, their notions of what they want to do in this time before nothing swallows them up could be an abomination to you! Yet, it couldn't be called evil, because their own moral compasses point that way, and one compass is no better or worse than the next.

@fmf said
I have already told you what my take is on "meaning" and "a meaningful life".

Yea, but when you and the current generation of cockroaches die off no one will care.

@kellyjay said
The logic behind life being all equal isn't a myth if there isn't any purpose behind it all, it then just becomes chemicals moving through time in the form of various lifeforms, none more special than the next, even within species.

Like I said earlier, these beliefs of yours can and probably do affect your moral compass. So, that's OK. That's how a moral compass works. It turns beliefs into actions. The beliefs and the morals are a synthesis of your hard wiring/capacity/character on one hand, and your experience on the other.

@kellyjay said
You realize with this thought process that we all just vanish, all things have become as morally acceptable as the next?

I don't have any problem with dying and vanishing when my life is over. How many times do I have to say so?