@kellyjay saidI will be remembered vividly by some people for some time. I will then be remembered in a more general way for another amount of time. I will have had some impacts on the world around me that might or might not persist in their effect.
Yea, but when you and the current generation of cockroaches die off no one will care.
I will have created and raised offspring and they will have opportunities similar to the ones I had, and they will be affected by those things I equipped them with and taught them by raising them, and they will pass some of that on to their offspring. And then eventually I will be anonymous and forgotten. But that's OK.
I can't speak for cockroaches - or who "cares" for them after they die ~ when it comes to all this kind of thing.
@kellyjay saidSome people do bad things. It's a fact of life. I don't see how your religious beliefs affect that. Some people's moral compasses seem non-existent or ineffective. It's a rough world. You should consider trying to convert them to your religion if you think it will stop them doing things that are "an abomination to you".
Nonetheless, those without barriers for their actions can do things thinking that this is all acceptable, and in a world without any real moral compasses, their notions of what they want to do in this time before nothing swallows them up could be an abomination to you! Yet, it couldn't be called evil, because their own moral compasses point that way, and one compass is no better or worse than the next.
@fmf saidWell that said people are doing and have done bad things, and will do as well. This continues only until the author of life remains off stage. Our days are numbered and our actions and words we will stand before the one who took all of our sins upon Himself, then accounts will be settled and eternity begins. This universe has an end date, it is scheduled to go.
Some people do bad things. It's a fact of life. I don't see how your religious beliefs affect that. Some people's moral compasses seem non-existent or ineffective. It's a rough world. You should consider trying to convert them to your religion if you think it will stop them doing things that are "an abomination to you".
Revelation 21:1
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
@fmf saidYes, I actually know that when Christ enters our lives and we are born again, the old things pass away, and life begins anew. He changes us from the inside out, it is all on Jesus.
Some people do bad things. It's a fact of life. I don't see how your religious beliefs affect that. Some people's moral compasses seem non-existent or ineffective. It's a rough world. You should consider trying to convert them to your religion if you think it will stop them doing things that are "an abomination to you".
@kellyjay saidThis to me is mere recitation and not an 'argument' or description of what I see as the real world I live in.
Well that said people are doing and have done bad things, and will do as well. This continues only until the author of life remains off stage. Our days are numbered and our actions and words we will stand before the one who took all of our sins upon Himself, then accounts will be settled and eternity begins. This universe has an end date, it is scheduled to go.
Revelation ...[text shortened]... and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
@kellyjay saidYour unique personal moral compass has been synthesizing this and offering you guidance since you started believing it, no doubt.
Yes, I actually know that when Christ enters our lives and we are born again, the old things pass away, and life begins anew. He changes us from the inside out, it is all on Jesus.
@fmf saidIn the real world, that is a interesting saying. How do you know what is real in this world? Evolution with the unguided natural processes, or creation? Your starting place will define everything else.
This to me is mere recitation and not an 'argument' or description of what I see as the real world I live in.
@kellyjay saidI don't know what you mean. It was ostensibly in answer to: "Your unique personal moral compass has been synthesizing this and offering you guidance since you started believing it, no doubt." Seems like a bit of non-sequitur to me.
Reality will shake out the truth from lies. For some it will not be a pleasant thing.
What "lies" are you talking about? "Lies" are things said which people know to be untrue, right? Whose "lies" are you referring to here?
@kellyjay saidThe one I perceive and interact with. The one that responds to me in predictable or learnable ways. The one that presents me with problems which are not imagined and which are affected in some way by my attempts to solve them.
In the real world, that is a interesting saying. How do you know what is real in this world?
I know that we all die - every single jot of evidence shows this - and I know that there is not one jot of evidence that anyone has ever gone on to an afterlife.
So the reality of the world I live in is one in which I can affect things [and people] around me in both concrete and abstract ways, a world in which I am affected by things around me in observable ways, it's a reality that will cease to exist ~ as far as I am concerned ~ when I die.
@sonhouse saidIf everything about God were just between my ears I'd say its possible I'd made Him up. That isn't the case, the world, scripture, morals, and so on line up making the God of the Bible very believable. Much of the so called 'evidence' for something other than God creating the universe are 'just so' stories, nothing that can even be logically proofed. While having God be the first cause logically answers unanswerable questions man has about the beginning, there is nothing that rivals it in my opinion. You and others here when asked where did everything come from honestly said, you don't know.
How do you prove YOUR god is not also man made?
Then there are personal things that for me are meaningful, if I shared with you not so much, since they are my experiences not yours.
@fmf saidYes, that is true and truth claims need to be checked out. Can life spring out of natural unguided processes regardless of how much time is needed? Can the needed information inside living cells to direct and preform tasks just happen by natural unguided processes regardless of how much time is needed?
We can but speculate.
Look at what Dawkins said about life, what he studied appeared to be designed but wasn't. How does he know it doesn't have the appearance of design because it was? He doesn't like the idea so he dismisses it out of hand no speculation required.
Until we know what is a fact there isn't a solid means of saying this is required and this isn't. If design is required, a lack of design cannot be said to be the better choice because it doesn't require a designer.
@fmf saidYou have a limited life at the moment cradle to grave, all you know is between those two points in time. You have no way to know what was before you were born except what is documented one way or another. You have no way to know what comes after you die, unless there is something trustworthy that shares that information.
The one I perceive and interact with. The one that responds to me in predictable or learnable ways. The one that presents me with problems which are not imagined and which are affected in some way by my attempts to solve them.
I know that we all die - every single jot of evidence shows this - and I know that there is not one jot of evidence that anyone has ever gone on to an ...[text shortened]... in observable ways, it's a reality that will cease to exist ~ as far as I am concerned ~ when I die.
As we have been talking about people have views with which they look at the world some see life starting due to a creator, some see it as nothing but chemicals coming together over time evolving into what we see today. Both interact in the same world, their world views color the world around them, but that is only affecting their opinions not the reality around which isn't changing to suit them.
I submit to you perceiving and interaction can lead you down the wrong path with respect to reality. You think something is true and it colors all other things in your life, true or not. We should try what we think is true, test it, make it stand up to the questions being asked, and not take our bias as the scale of truth, we can be wrong.