Morality without a deity.

@kellyjay said
Do you even believe in good morals and bad?

Do you even read any of my posts?

@kellyjay said
I'm sure whenever some group of people rob another they too believe their actions are also viable as far as they are concern.

But it's for you to use your moral compass to evaluate that behaviour and to guide your own. If a society did not prevent and punish people for robbing each other, my moral compass would encourage me to either live elsewhere or to be an activist seeking changes to the law.

@kellyjay said
When you are your own judge and jury how often to you condemn yourself if you can come up with some excuse to do what you want?

Our societies and governments provide us with the infrastructure of judges and juries [and the laws they adjudicate upon], literally. Metaphorically speaking, our communities, our families, and other groups we are part of, provide our "judges and juries" and we use our moral compasses to guide us in how we conduct ourselves and how we relate to the people we interact with in these contexts.

@kellyjay said
Reality will shake out the truth from lies. For some it will not be a pleasant thing.

What "lies" are you talking about?

"Lies" are things said which people know to be untrue, right?

Whose "lies" are you referring to here?

@kellyjay said
Look at what Dawkins said about life, what he studied appeared to be designed but wasn't. How does he know it doesn't have the appearance of design because it was? He doesn't like the idea so he dismisses it out of hand no speculation required.

What is your source for this take on Darwin's Christian faith and the impact his discoveries had on it?

@fmf said
What is your source for this take on Darwin's Christian faith and the impact his discoveries had on it?

What are you talking about?

@fmf said
What "lies" are you talking about?

"Lies" are things said which people know to be untrue, right?

Whose "lies" are you referring to here?

Satan has the world deceived, and in the end truth not the lies will stand in the end.

@fmf said
But it's for you to use your moral compass to evaluate that behaviour and to guide your own. If a society did not prevent and punish people for robbing each other, my moral compass would encourage me to either live elsewhere or to be an activist seeking changes to the law.

Now how can anyone evaluate a behavior that cannot be wrong, if wrong is up to the person doing it? Some societies attack others, so then what? Some people cooperate in robbing others, so then what? Some societies force one minority to serve the majority, so then what? You are acting as if it societies rules and laws can be wrong!

@kellyjay said
What are you talking about?

Your take on Darwin.

@kellyjay said
Now how can anyone evaluate a behavior that cannot be wrong, if wrong is up to the person doing it?

"Behavior that cannot be wrong"?

@kellyjay said
Some societies attack others, so then what? Some people cooperate in robbing others, so then what?

You and I can condemn it, oppose it, try to change it, go along with it, walk away from it.

@kellyjay said
Some societies force one minority to serve the majority, so then what?

Your moral compass will guide you in discerning if it's wrong and deciding what to do about it.

@kellyjay said
You are acting as if it societies rules and laws can be wrong!

Of course they can be wrong. And for both of us it is our moral compass that enables us to make that determination.

@kellyjay said
Some societies attack others, so then what?

Then you decide whether to join in the attack, help defend your society, remain neutral, consienciously object, or remove yourself from the conflict.

@kellyjay said
Satan has the world deceived, and in the end truth not the lies will stand in the end.

So you are talking about the "lies" of some magical being that you cannot prove exists and that I therefore do not believe exists? You were referring to the "lies" of a character in some mythology you happen to think is real and you cite his "lies" in a conversation with someone who has no credible reason to think this magical figure exists? To what end? Are you just virtue signalling to ideologues who share your religious beliefs?