Obedience vs Disobedience

Originally posted by @fmf
But why would people who are satisfied with their god figure seek or need to be willing to adopt your god figure? Your analysis of the Muslims who run an orphanage down my street is bizarre.

If truth is subjective anything can be bizarre and might or might not really matter, so your question could be bizarre to me.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Rape is objectively wrong, as I'm sure you know, but won't admit.

I believe rape is wrong. It's true. And you know why I think that, and you know what I think is the source of that moral perspective, and you know what my analysis is of people who commit rapes, and you know what my analysis is of any argument put forward that suggests that rape is not wrong. Go and look at the threads where we discussed it.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
If truth is subjective anything can be bizarre and might or might not really matter.

Isn't everything you have said about the Islamic orphanage down my street subjective?

Originally posted by @fmf
I believe rape is wrong. It's true. And you know why I think that, and you know what I think is the source of that moral perspective, and you know what my analysis is of people who commit rapes, and you know what my analysis is of any argument put forward that suggests that rape is not wrong. Go and look at the threads where we discussed it.

We both know exactly why you won't just come out and say that rape is objectively wrong even if that is what you actually believe.

Originally posted by @fmf
Isn't everything you have said about the Islamic orphanage down my street subjective?

To you 'everything' is subjective is it not?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
To you 'everything' is subjective is it not?

Well, if we are talking about morality, you know full well what I think it is, where it comes from, how it works, and most importantly, perhaps, what is is for. As for the way that you have used the words "objectively" and "true" and "absolute" and "universal" and "subjectively" and "real" etc.etc. you know exactly what I think about the way you use them in an attempt at self-aggrandizement because I have written about it in detail in posts that were addressed to you. Go and look at those threads.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
If truth is subjective anything can be bizarre and might or might not really matter, so your question could be bizarre to me.

Do you believe that everything you have said about the Islamic orphanage down my street has been universally true in some way or do you concede that they have just been your personal opinions?

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His beliefs cannot account for an objective moral law.

Do you believe rape is objectively wrong?

Originally posted by @fmf
Well, if we are talking about morality, you know full well what I think it is, where it comes from, how it works, and most importantly, perhaps, what is is for. As for the way that you have used the words "objectively" and "true" and "absolute" and "universal" and "subjectively" and "real" etc.etc. you know exactly what I think about the way you use them in an ...[text shortened]... ve written about it in detail in posts that were addressed to you. Go and look at those threads.

Could you give me an example of anything that you believe is objectively true in terms of morality?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Could you give me an example of anything that you believe is objectively true in terms of morality?

One could make objective statements about what laws exist that pertain to moral issues. As for what I believe is and is not true with regard to morality, it is not something I attach the word "objective" to and certainly not in discussion with you, because you have distorted/corrupted that (and several other) related words. I don't think anything anyone asserts with regard to supernatural phenomena and beings having a bearing on morality can be anything other than subjective. I've told you all this before.

Originally posted by @fmf
One could make objective statements about what laws exist that pertain to moral issues. As for what I believe is and is not true with regard to morality, it is not something I attach the word "objective" to and certainly not in discussion with you, because you have distorted/corrupted that (and several other) related words. I don't think anything anyone asserts ...[text shortened]... ving a bearing on morality can be anything other than subjective. I've told you all this before.

So your answer to my question, is rape objectively wrong, is no?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
FMF's beliefs cannot account for an objective moral law.

When I explained to you what I think morality is, where it comes from, what it is affected by, what its purpose is, and what happens when people do not agree about morality, you opted not to engage what I was saying. I gave a full account for my beliefs. You missed the opportunity to address them.

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No one said they should.