Obedience vs Disobedience

Originally posted by @dj2becker
FMF's beliefs cannot account for an objective moral law.

Neither can you. Nor can divegeester, All three of us basically obtain our moral sensibilities in more or less the same way - from our human environment

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I said his beliefs cannot account for an objective moral law because I thought they couldn't. If you feel they can feel free to say why you think so.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
I am not saying he should be able to account for an objective moral law, I am merely pointing out that he can't. And that's why he won't give me a straight yes or no answer to my question.

Just because you are a superstitious guy, it doesn't mean the 'laws' and 'lawgivers' that appeal to your imagination enable you to account for "an objective moral law". It simply doesn't. And as for straight answers, the straighter my answer is, the more likely you are to ignore it and blunder on.

Originally posted by @fmf
Neither can you. Nor can divegeester, All three of us basically obtain our moral sensibilities in more or less the same way - from our human environment

So are you saying that obtaining morals from our society is the only correct way to obtain morals? Or is there a wrong way?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
So are you saying that obtaining morals from our society is the only correct way to obtain morals? Or is there a wrong way?

I am saying it is the way you have obtained your morals.

Originally posted by @fmf
Just because you are a superstitious guy, it doesn't mean the 'laws' and 'lawgivers' that appeal to your imagination enable you to account for "an objective moral law". It simply doesn't. And as for straight answers, the straighter my answer is, the more likely you are to ignore it and blunder on.

So what in your opinion would be able to account for an objective moral law? Or are you saying that you know for sure that no objective moral law exists?

Originally posted by @fmf
I am saying it is the way you have obtained your morals.

And from your perspective are all morals the same or are some superior to others?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
So what in your opinion would be able to account for an objective moral law?

You already know my answer to this question. Why are you asking about this again?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
And from your perspective are all morals the same or are some superior to others?

We already discussed this at length. I wrote quite a bit about different or competing moral codes. You chose not to address what I said. Go back and take a look. I'm not typing it out again.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Or are you saying that you know for sure that no objective moral law exists?

I am saying that you and I cannot render the moral codes - that we have absorbed and adopted from our upbringing, surroundings and experiences - render them "objective" simply by attaching the label "objective" to them.

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If it's God's law it's objective no? Or do you believe the ten commandments were/are optional?