Originally posted by GSWILLAnd it's required to enter the Kingdom of Heaven:
That they may be perfected. That's what it says. As it is an ongoing process.
We Christians are in the process of BEING perfected into one as John 17 says.
[b] "I in them, and You in Me, that they may be perfected into one,..." (John 17:22a
The New Testament also says "... until we all arrive at the oneness of the faith ..." (Eph. ...[text shortened]... her is in the Son and the Son is in us. Yes it is happening under your nose.
- jaywill[/b]
Matthew 7:21-23
Not everyone who says to me,'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will tell me in that day,'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?' Then I will tell them,'I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.'
Who is GSWILL?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneMaybe they were on drugs. That would not be a personal relationship with Jesus. Would it? 😏
The point was that in the author's experience "... the Jesus people had a personal relationship was often more of a reflection of their own inner desires, their own personality, their religious preferences and what they had been taught about Jesus than anything else." In other words, each had his own "Jesus" made in his own image. This indicates that the ...[text shortened]... with your family members is something very different from what Jesus was describing.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYou won't regret taking the time to listen, attentively, to all of the readings (for your sake).
I had started listening to the first which seemed to start from the beginning and couldn't see listening to it all to see if there are any nuggets. If you have some written excerpts that you think particularly well thought out and compelling, then by all means provide them. If you don't think it worth your time to do that, why should I think it's worth my time time to read the book?
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Originally posted by FMFNot long ago I said it was a relationship with Christ that matters, it will never
And yet not so long ago you were insisting that I could never have been a 'true Christian' because my relationship with him was not the same as yours.
be exactly the same as mine! I've maintained that Jesus Christ is the Way, the
Truth, the Light and no one comes to God except through Him. You claimed
unless I misunderstood you, you had that, and left it for something, I suppose
you believe is better. Something better than the Son of God, not sure what that
could be, but you have it according to you, again if I understood your point. So
you either had a relationship with God through Jesus Christ or not, its your
story not mine...I'm not going to call you a liar, if God doesn't your good if He
does no matter how we end our discussion your lost.
Kelly
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneSo you say.
The point was that in the author's experience "... the Jesus people had a personal relationship was often more of a reflection of their own inner desires, their own personality, their religious preferences and what they had been taught about Jesus than anything else." In other words, each had his own "Jesus" made in his own image. This indicates that the ...[text shortened]... with your family members is something very different from what Jesus was describing.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayBeing honest with oneself about what one actually believes is better than pretending to believe something. I have something "better" now in this respect specifically.
Something better than the Son of God, not sure what that
could be, but you have it according to you, again if I understood your point.
Originally posted by KellyJayAnd yet this not-being-the-same-as-you thing made you take it upon yourself to declare me never-a-Christian. Now you say that everyone has different relationships. I seem to have caught you kind of making it up as you go along. But don't worry, I've faced a fair bit of fumbling irritated denunciation from still-Christians on account of being an ex-one.
Not long ago I said it was a relationship with Christ that matters, it will never
be exactly the same as mine!
Originally posted by FMFIf you had a relationship with God through Jesus Christ there isn't anything
And yet this not-being-the-same-as-you thing made you take it upon yourself to declare me never-a-Christian. Now you say that everyone has different relationships. I seem to have caught you kind of making it up as you go along. But don't worry, I've faced a fair bit of fumbling irritated denunciation from still-Christians on account of being an ex-one.
'better' than that how could there be?
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayYou should also consider these words of Jesus:
So you say.
Kelly
Matthew 7:21-23
Not everyone who says to me,'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will tell me in that day,'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?' Then I will tell them,'I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.'
From what I've seen, those claiming a 'personal relationship with Jesus' also claim that they continue to commit sin, i.e., work iniquity, because they believe it impossible not to. To them Jesus says, "I never knew you".
This helps explain why each has his own "Jesus" made in his own image. It's the only "relationship" available to those whom Jesus "never knew".
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOne[/b]I think you and I are in agreement on this verse, there are many people who
You should also consider these words of Jesus:
Matthew 7:21-23
Not everyone who says to me,'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will tell me in that day,'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?' Then [b] age. It's the only "relationship" available to those whom Jesus "never knew".
think because they do "religious works" or "spiritual works" that is their ticket
into heaven, because both groups are people who are relying on some work
they did.
Where we part is what Jesus is saying here...He knows His sheep and they
know him. They will be doing good works as a byproduct of knowing God
through Jesus Christ, but Jesus is our Savior not our efforts.
Kelly