Originally posted by KellyJayYou dodged the question. So you don't think it's possible for someone to lose their faith?
So you had a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ, and you do not
now, because you no longer believe in it. That pretty much covers it in my opinion.
We have gone over this several times now, all I'm doing is repeating myself, if
you don't grasp my point now you never will.
Originally posted by KellyJaySo by your logic, and despite what you claim about yourself, no one here can be sure you really are Christian, right? Because, as long as you're still alive, you could lose your faith, and according to your logic, if you do lose your faith, you will never have been a Christian, yes?
We have gone over this several times now, all I'm doing is repeating myself, if
you don't grasp my point now you never will.
Originally posted by FMFBy my logic God know's who are His, He accepts only perfection and we are only
So by your logic, and despite what you claim about yourself, no one here can be sure you really are Christian, right? Because, as long as you're still alive, you could lose your faith, and according to your logic, if you do lose your faith, you will never have been a Christian, yes?
perfect in Christ. I am not worried at all about what others think of my salvation,
I don't answer to them as they don't answer to me.
Kelly
Originally posted by FMFLose their faith? You can have faith in your car, you spouse, your kids, and they
You dodged the question. So you don't think it's possible for someone to lose their faith?
can disappoint you. God will always be God, He changes not, so if you are asking
me can He let you down, no He will not. He also isn't held accountable for all the
things we place on Him either where we do get disappointed, such as He never
promised us our kids would out live us, or we would never see trouble in this life.
So if something like that happens and people walk away from God they are doing
it not because God failed them, but that they were holding God to some standard
He never gave to us.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayActually, your incessant declarations and pronouncements about me and my beliefs in the past seem to indicate that you are concerned - rather oddly so - about what people think of you and your professions of faith.
By my logic God know's who are His, He accepts only perfection and we are only perfect in Christ. I am not worried at all about what others think of my salvation, I don't answer to them as they don't answer to me.
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Originally posted by KellyJayDo you or don't you think it's possible for someone to lose their faith?
Lose their faith? You can have faith in your car, you spouse, your kids, and they
can disappoint you. God will always be God, He changes not, so if you are asking
me can He let you down, no He will not. He also isn't held accountable for all the
things we place on Him either where we do get disappointed, such as He never
promised us our kids would out l ...[text shortened]... ecause God failed them, but that they were holding God to some standard
He never gave to us.
The way you are dancing around this question is revealing, I reckon.
I haven't mentioned "holding God to some standard", or how "God failed", or whether "our kids would outlive" us, or God being "held accountable", or being "disappointed" by a car, etc. etc. etc. These are all just red herrings. I do not believe the things I used to believe. You don't think this is possible?
Originally posted by FMFI'm not sure what you mean by your faith either, is it just something you thought
Do you or don't you think it's possible for someone to lose their faith?
The way you are dancing around this question is revealing, I reckon.
I haven't mentioned "holding God to some standard", or how "God failed", or whether "our kids would outlive" us, or God being "held accountable", or being "disappointed" by a car, etc. etc. etc. These are all just re ...[text shortened]... . I do not believe the things I used to believe. You don't think this is possible?
was true and now believe isn't? Is it something more? I've been very clear, either
you had something real or you did not, if you now claim what you had was not
real, you can tell me that your "faith" is the same as everyone else' who do not
deny Jesus Christ as you have done.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayIt was "real" for me at that time: just as "real" as what you think is "real" for you now.
I'm not sure what you mean by your faith either, is it just something you thought
was true and now believe isn't? Is it something more? I've been very clear, either
you had something real or you did not, if you now claim what you had was not
real, you can tell me that your "faith" is the same as everyone else' who do not
deny Jesus Christ as you have done.
Why are you unwilling to apply the "logic" [that you apply to me] to you yourself?
Originally posted by KellyJayPresumably you meant:
I've been very clear, either you had something real or you did not, if you now claim what you had was not real, you can tell me that your "faith" is the same as everyone else' who do not deny Jesus Christ as you have done.
I've been very clear, either you had something real or you did not, if you now claim what you had was not real, you cannot tell me that your "faith" is the same as everyone else' who do not deny Jesus Christ as you have done.
How many times do i have to tell you? I do not claim my faith "is the same as everyone else's". I do not have this faith anymore. I do not believe the things I used to believe. I am not claiming I have the same faith now. Hasn't this been clear? I am not a Christian anymore.
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Originally posted by FMFI used to be a Christian.
"The Holy Trinity"? In what sense?
I am not anymore. What is it that makes you need to declare
I was never a Christian?
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"The Holy Trinity"? In what sense?
In the most basic sense, in which their are two in view. The obvious one would be the three persons of the Unique Triumvirate in Heaven. Also, in the less well understood sense, the event by which human beings become dichotomous at physical birth (body and soul). Then, at the point in time when (if) a person accepts God's Grace Gift of Relationship with Himself in Time and throughout Eternity Future, that selfsame person become Regenerate in Christ and trichotomous (body, soul and human spirit).
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI don't subscribe to any of this, as was made pretty clear in the post of mine you were 'responding to'.
In the most basic sense, in which their are two in view. The obvious one would be the three persons of the Unique Triumvirate in Heaven. Also, in the less well understood sense, the event by which human beings become dichotomous at physical birth (body and soul). Then, at the point in time when (if) a person accepts God's Grace Gift of Relationship with Hi ...[text shortened]... selfsame person become Regenerate in Christ and trichotomous (body, soul and human spirit).
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Originally posted by FMFI do apply the same logic, do I deny Jesus Christ was in my life, is in my life,
It was "real" for me at that time: just as "real" as what you think is "real" for you now.
Why are you unwilling to apply the "logic" [that you apply to me] to you yourself?
and will be in life, no I do not, you do.
Kelly
Originally posted by FMFI get that, you've told me that you used to be like me yet you changed, okay
Presumably you meant:
I've been very clear, either you had something real or you did not, if you now claim what you had was not real, you [b]cannot tell me that your "faith" is the same as everyone else' who do not deny Jesus Christ as you have done.
How many times do i have to tell you? I do not claim my faith "is the same as everyone else's". ...[text shortened]... laiming I have the same faith now. Hasn't this been clear? I am not a Christian anymore.[/b]
than you can never say you used to be like me truthfully. You can say you had
something you no longer have, I became a Christain when I was 25 years
old, I've been a Christian now over half my life. What occured to me changed
me forever when Jesus Christ entered my life, you on the other hand had
something, whatever it was became meaningless to you now. What happened
to me could never be called meaningless.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayYou are still dodging by posing yourself questions that are different from the question I am posing. I did not ask if you "deny Jesus Christ is in your life". I have asked you nothing of the sort. I asked you why are you unwilling to apply the same "logic" to yourself as you apply to me?
I do apply the same logic, do I deny Jesus Christ was in my life, is in my life,
and will be in life, no I do not, you do.