Question to any JW

Originally posted by SwissGambit
People that go to church still sin. Fornication is but one of many possible sins. So no, I would not shun them.

I don't see how the sex life of a "person sitting next to me" is any of my business unless he or she is my partner.

Originally posted by FMF
Your question should be directed at a religionist - someone who claims to know "God's instructions" and have some sort of 'code' that leads to immortality of some kind. I am not one of these. I am not a religionist. I do not claim to know what "God's instructions" are; I don't think you know what they are either. I do not claim to have some sort of 'code' that ...[text shortened]... n't think you have one either. Your question should be posed to fellow religionists.

I don't have this secrect code but I have the Bible which clearly describes God's viewpoint on what is bad. His son also told his followers to keep the congregations clean from ones who do not live their life's in accord with his fathers laws. It's not a great mystery and actually quite easy to find in the Bible.

So I'll ask you another way then. If you had a workmate sitting next to you at work that was looking at child porn on his computer, would you not shun that person or seek to have him removed form your workplace?

Originally posted by SwissGambit
People that go to church still sin. Fornication is but one of many possible sins. So no, I would not shun them.

Yes we do and those are to be forgiven. We are taking about the ones who willfully practise what is condemned in the Bible.
Jesus said to remove them from the congregation, but you don't go for that command from Jesus and you would let that person stay? Hummmm!!!!

Originally posted by galveston75
So I'll ask you another way then. If you had a workmate sitting next to you at work that was looking at child porn on his computer, would you not shun that person or seek to have him removed form your workplace?

What connection is there in your mind between the criminal exploitation of children and a workmate's sex life? I don't see any connection.

Originally posted by galveston75
I don't have this secrect code but I have the Bible which clearly describes God's viewpoint on what is bad. His son also told his followers to keep the congregations clean from ones who do not live their life's in accord with his fathers laws. It's not a great mystery and actually quite easy to find in the Bible.

You are entitled to believe that "the Bible [..] clearly describes God's viewpoint on what is bad" and apply it to yourself and live your life how you believe you should, but what is someone else's private life or their sex life got to do with you? Isn't it a matter for the "fornicator" and his or her perception of "God's viewpoint" and "what is bad" and what isn't? I don't see how it's any of your business, frankly. Or mine, for that matter.

Originally posted by galveston75
So I'll ask you another way then. If you had a workmate sitting next to you at work that was looking at child porn on his computer, would you not shun that person or seek to have him removed form your workplace?

Now, man's law comes into play. He is doing something illegal by both my employer's standards and the government's. Furthermore, I don't need to see that disgusting shyte. So yes, I would shun that person and seek to have him removed.

Now, if he was doing it at home and I didn't know about it then it would be none of my business and it would be up to the state to find him and bust him.

Originally posted by galveston75
Yes we do and those are to be forgiven. We are taking about the ones who willfully practise what is condemned in the Bible.
Jesus said to remove them from the congregation, but you don't go for that command from Jesus and you would let that person stay? Hummmm!!!!

But everyone sins on a fairly regular basis. Where is the line between those who are 'willfully practicing' sin and those who are 'occasionally slipping up'?

Please quote the verse where Jesus commands them to be removed from the congregation. Thanks.

Originally posted by SwissGambit
Now, man's law comes into play. He is doing something illegal by both my employer's standards and the government's. So yes, I would shun that person and seek to have him removed.

Yes it is and in most countries adultry is against the law. So if that person next to you said he comitted adultry, then how would you respond? Both are mentioned in the Bible...

Originally posted by galveston75
Yes it is and in most countries adultry is against the law.

I was not aware of this. Which countries?

Originally posted by galveston75
Yes it is and in most countries adultry is against the law. So if that person next to you said he comitted adultry, then how would you respond? Both are mentioned in the Bible...

What baout the fatties, do you have them removed from your congregation and shunned?

Originally posted by galveston75
Yes it is and in most countries adultry is against the law. So if that person next to you said he comitted adultry, then how would you respond? Both are mentioned in the Bible...

As far as I know adultery is not illegal in my country [the US]. Even though I think adultery is morally wrong, I oppose government prosecution of adulterers. I do not think the government should be meddling in the private lives of citizens if it can be avoided. Let the adulterer's consequences come from the person that they are cheating on.

I would probably do nothing.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
What baout the fatties, do you have them removed from your congregation and shunned?

But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
1 Cor 5:11

Maybe 'greedy' people includes gluttons? You could make the case for removal, I think.

Originally posted by SwissGambit

But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
1 Cor 5:11

Maybe 'greedy' people includes gluttons? You could make the case for removal, I think.

Exactly, gluttons = overweight. Yet i wonder how many overweight people are removed from congregations each year?

Maybe Galvoston could give us a figure for his congregation.

Originally posted by twhitehead
I was not aware of this. Which countries?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-04-26-column26_ST_N.htm

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/adultery

http://www.answers.com/topic/adultery

Very interesting info here.

Originally posted by SwissGambit

But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
1 Cor 5:11

Maybe 'greedy' people includes gluttons? You could make the case for removal, I think.

You are probably right. The point of these laws are to keep the congregation clean morally and physically. The laws are not meant to harm anyone ever but to enrich ones life spiritually and to keep them healthy.