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Originally posted by Proper Knobone can be overweight but not as a consequence of gluttony, merely a lifestyle with no
People become overweight because they eat more food than their body needs. That's a simple plain as day idiot proof fact. They over-indulge frequently.
I'm sure you're congregation would remove someone who over frequently indulged with alcohol, but if someone frequently over indulged with food and began piling on the pounds?! No one would batter an eyelid would they. That Rob, is nothing more than rank hypocrisy.
exercise and consuming the recommended RDA of calories for man/women. I may eat
more food than an office worker because i am pushing more than pens and the office
worker may eat less yet still be overweight, thus gluttony is not dependent upon
amounts, as its a disposition of the mind, an attitude if you like. I could for example
over indulge and vomit my food up like the ancient Romans and remain skinny, is this
gluttony, most certainly. Its the attitude, the wanton greed that is the defining
characteristic of gluttony, not being overweight.
No one is removed for indulging in alcohol, people may be removed for over indulging,
getting drunk, but only after they are counselled and attempts made to help them.
No hypocrisy PK.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe simple fact is that if you over indulge with food on a regular basis then you will become overweight. Yes or no?
one can be overweight but not as a consequence of gluttony, merely a lifestyle with no
exercise and consuming the recommended RDA of calories for man/women. I may eat
more food than an office worker because i am pushing more than pens and the office
worker may eat less yet still be overweight, thus gluttony is not dependent upon
amounts, as ...[text shortened]... drunk, but only after they are counselled and attempts made to help them.
No hypocrisy PK.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou are still putting more food into your body than it needs. You are eating to excess. If someone who is inactive eats the amount of food i do everyday they will become fat, it's relative to the individual. The inescapable fact of the matter is that if you are getting fat you are putting more food into your body than it needs. You are eating to excess.
yes but its not because of overindulgence, but lack of exercise.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe contradiction can be summed up as thus -
yes but its not because of overindulgence, but lack of exercise.
You're basically saying to your congregation that if they put this liquid into their bodies (alcohol) frequently and excessively then they will be 'counselled and attempts made to help them', failing that they will be removed from the congregation. If people put food stuffs into their bodies frequently and excessively no one will do anything. You'll stand by and watch them slowly kill themselves even though they are violating scripture.
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Originally posted by Proper Knobok, on the PK scale of fatometers, how much is too much, 1kg, 2kgs, 10kgs? 20 kgs?
You are still putting more food into your body than it needs. You are eating to excess. If someone who is inactive eats the amount of food i do everyday they will become fat, it's relative to the individual. The inescapable fact of the matter is that if you are getting fat you are putting more food into your body than it needs. You are eating to excess.
what shall we do? weigh everyone before they come into the Kingdom hall, 'my my
sister that's a very loose fitting dress you are wearing, are you hiding some flab under
it?' Your position is pedantic and unreasonable and unworkable in practice.
Originally posted by Proper Knobplease see the text above.
The contradiction can be summed up as thus -
You're basically saying to your congregation that if they put this liquid into their bodies (alcohol) frequently and excessively then they will be 'counselled and attempts made to help them', failing that they will be removed from the congregation. If people put food stuffs into their bodies frequently and ...[text shortened]... 'll stand by and watch them slowly kill themselves even though they are violating scripture.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieExplain to me why people who put a certain type of liquid into their bodies frequently and excessively can face removal from a congregation, yet nothing will happen to people who put food into their bodies frequently and excessively.
ok, on the PK scale of fatometers, how much is too much, 1kg, 2kgs, 10kgs? 20 kgs?
what shall we do? weigh everyone before they come into the Kingdom hall, 'my my
sister that's a very loose fitting dress you are wearing, are you hiding some flab under
it?' Your position is pedantic and unreasonable and unworkable in practice.
Originally posted by Proper Knobbecause gluttony is condemned in scripture, alcohol abuse is gluttony, being overweight
Explain to me why people who put a certain type of liquid into their bodies frequently and excessively can face removal from a congregation, yet nothing will happen to people who put food into their bodies frequently and excessively.
is not.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYour position is pedantic and unreasonable and unworkable in practice.
ok, on the PK scale of fatometers, how much is too much, 1kg, 2kgs, 10kgs? 20 kgs?
what shall we do? weigh everyone before they come into the Kingdom hall, 'my my
sister that's a very loose fitting dress you are wearing, are you hiding some flab under
it?' Your position is pedantic and unreasonable and unworkable in practice.
It's not my position, it's your God's position as stated in the Bible.
I can see it now, after the Great Tribulation God comes down to earth to find a load of obese JW's left on the planet. He asks -
'I though i made my position quite clear regarding food and gluttony?!'
To which you'll pipe up from the back -
'Well actually God we found your position pedantic and unreasonable and unworkable in practice so we decided to do nothing about it'.
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Originally posted by Proper Knobok now you've gone off at the deep end! great learning is making you mad!
[b]Your position is pedantic and unreasonable and unworkable in practice.
It's not my position, it's your God's position.
I can see it now, after the Great Tribulation God comes down to earth to find a load of obese JW's left on the planet. He asks -
'I though i made my position quite clear regarding food and gluttony?!'
To which you'll ntic and unreasonable and unworkable in practice so we decided to do nothing about it'.[/b]
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat's the hypocrisy of your position, gluttonous drinkers will removed from your congregation yet gluttonous eaters remain. Obesity is sweeping this nation and America like a pandemic, 1/3 of adult Americans and nearly 1/4 of adults from the UK are clinically obese, the Bible has strict views on gluttonous eating yet your organisation chooses to do nothing. Cherry picking of the highest order.
ok now you've gone off at the deep end! great learning is making you mad!
Originally posted by Proper Knobpedantry of the highest order, being overweight does not mean that one is a glutton.
That's the hypocrisy of your position, gluttonous drinkers will removed from your congregation yet gluttonous eaters remain. Obesity is sweeping this nation and America like a pandemic, 1/3 of adult Americans and nearly 1/4 of adults from the UK are clinically obese, the Bible has strict views on gluttonous eating yet your organisation chooses to do nothing. Cherry picking of the highest order.