Originally posted by darvlaySeveral of us had a long thread on this some months ago. I think it was David C, Menace, me and a couple others .. I think Robbie and Galveston got clobbered in the debate, and thats why he does not want it restarted. Just about everything about them is either petty or false.
I'd certainly rather hear it from you but you don't want to tell me.
If you'd rather PM, I'm okay with that.
There is whole long list of stupid and false predictions JWs made since mid 1800 that proved false and still they keep making more and more false prophesies about the return of Christ. They also built/bought a huge house somehwere for the 'saints' to live in when they return. Only recently they resold the house as the 'saints' never returned. They are seriously screwed up.
Google some of it yourself and read up on them ... you are guaranteed to have a good laugh ... 😀 .. i did.
Originally posted by Rajk999Ok, will do when I have time.
Several of us had a long thread on this some months ago. I think it was David C, Menace, me and a couple others .. I think Robbie and Galveston got clobbered in the debate, and thats why he does not want it restarted. Just about everything about them is either petty or false.
There is whole long list of stupid and false predictions JWs made since mid 1800 ...[text shortened]... it yourself and read up on them ... you are guaranteed to have a good laugh ... 😀 .. i did.
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Originally posted by darvlayBirthday
Meh. It's your call.
The day or anniversary of ones birth; in Hebrew, yohm hulledheth (Ge 40:20) and in Greek, genesia (Mt 14:6; Mr 6:21).
The Hebrews kept records of the year one was born, as the Bible’s genealogical and chronological data reveal. (Nu 1:2, 3; Jos 14:10; 2Ch 31:16, 17) The ages of Levites, priests, and kings were not left to guesswork. (Nu 4:3; 8:23-25; 2Ki 11:21; 15:2; 18:2) This was also true in the case of Jesus.—Lu 2:21, 22, 42; 3:23.
According to the Scriptures, the day the baby was born was usually one of rejoicing and thanksgiving on the part of the parents, and rightly so, for “look! Sons are an inheritance from Jehovah; the fruitage of the belly is a reward.” (Ps 127:3; Jer 20:15; Lu 1:57, 58) However, there is no indication in the Scriptures that faithful worshipers of Jehovah ever indulged in the pagan practice of annually celebrating birthdays.
The Bible makes direct reference to only two birthday celebrations, those of Pharaoh of Egypt (18th century B.C.E.) and Herod Antipas (1st century C.E.). These two accounts are similar in that both occasions were marked with great feasting and granting of favors; both are remembered for executions, the hanging of Pharaoh’s chief baker in the first instance, the beheading of John the Baptizer in the latter.—Ge 40:18-22; 41:13; Mt 14:6-11; Mr 6:21-28.
While the expression “on the day of our king,” at Hosea 7:5, may possibly indicate a birthday party for the apostate king of Israel when the princes “sickened themselves . . . because of wine,” it could as easily be the anniversary day of his accession to the throne when similar festivities were held.
When Job’s sons “held a banquet at the house of each one on his own day” it should not be supposed that they were celebrating their birthdays. (Job 1:4) “Day” in this verse translates the Hebrew word yohm and refers to a period of time from sunrise to sunset. On the other hand, “birthday” is a compound of the two Hebrew words yohm (day) and hulledheth. The distinction between “day” and one’s birthday may be noted in Genesis 40:20, where both expressions appear: “Now on the third day [yohm] it turned out to be Pharaohs birthday [literally, “the day (yohm) of the birth (hul·ledheth) of Pharaoh”].” So it is certain that Job 1:4 does not refer to a birthday, as is unquestionably the case at Genesis 40:20. It would seem that Job’s seven sons held a family gathering (possibly a spring or harvest festival) and as the feasting made the week-long circuit, each son hosted the banquet in his own house “on his own day.”
With the introduction of Christianity the viewpoint toward birthday celebrations did not change. Jesus inaugurated a binding Memorial, not of his birth, but of his death, saying: “Keep doing this in remembrance of me.” (Lu 22:19) If early Christians did not celebrate or memorialize the birthday of their Savior, much less would they celebrate their own day of birth. Historian Augustus Neander writes: “The notion of a birthday festival was far from the ideas of the Christians of this period.” (The History of the Christian Religion and Church, During the Three First Centuries, translated by H. J. Rose, 1848, p. 190) “Origen [a writer of the third century C.E.] . . . insists that ‘of all the holy people in the Scriptures, no one is recorded to have kept a feast or held a great banquet on his birthday. It is only sinners (like Pharaoh and Herod) who make great rejoicings over the day on which they were born into this world below.’”—The Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913, Vol. X, p. 709.
Clearly, then, the festive celebration of birthdays does not find its origin in either the Hebrew or the Greek Scriptures. Additionally, M’Clintock and Strong’s Cyclopaedia (1882, Vol. I, p. 817) says the Jews “regarded birthday celebrations as parts of idolatrous worship . . . , and this probably on account of the idolatrous rites with which they were observed in honor of those who were regarded as the patron gods of the day on which the party was born.”
from the horses mouth rather than his A$$
it must be noted that this is in no way meant to be a definitive belief, if your conscience tells you otherwise, then you should follow it.
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Originally posted by FabianFnasFabs i tried to message you back but your ignoring me, just to say, no offence was taken as there was no intent, we are used to this type of thing in Glasgow, its our culture, just some friendly banter, so relax and feel easy. your sentiments are virtuous and sensitivities a credit, its a sad day when we cannot say what we like, even in humour which may have some truth in it, without fear of offence at the spirituality forum 🙂
Edit: I tried to be amusing, but I realize that my words could be taken something else than intended. I regret that, and I beg pardon.
I change the earlier posting to this one...
Originally posted by Proper KnobChildren fortunetly have not been as influanced with as many false teachings and paganistic ideas as have adults. Children usually have very sharp perception of things in life and once they are shown from the Bible God's viewpoints and ideas and principles, they usually pick up on the reasons why God would never approve of Halloween and other customs that he would not find favor with.
I'm intrigued as to what you tell your children when you tell them you won't be celebrating Haloween, Christmas or their birthdays.
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Originally posted by galveston75Read: Children are more easily brainwashed and thus make easier targets for roaming JW's.
Children fortunetly have not been as influanced with as many false teachings and paganistic ideas as have adults. Children usually have very sharp perception of things in life and once they are shown from the Bible God's viewpoints and ideas and principles, they usually pick up on the reasons why God would never approve of Halloween and other customs that he would not find favor with.
Originally posted by galveston75That's probably the most sinister post i've ever read on these forums. I read that post as -
Children fortunetly have not been as influanced with as many false teachings and paganistic ideas as have adults. Children usually have very sharp perception of things in life and once they are shown from the Bible God's viewpoints and ideas and principles, they usually pick up on the reasons why God would never approve of Halloween and other customs that he would not find favor with.
'Children are more easily indoctrinated than adults because they can't think for themselves yet'
But it still doesn't answer my question of what you actually tell your children as to why daddy wont be giving them any presents on their birthday or Christmas even though everybody else does.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieNo harm done? Thanks.
Fabs i tried to message you back but your ignoring me, just to say, no offence was taken as there was no intent, we are used to this type of thing in Glasgow, its our culture, just some friendly banter, so relax and feel easy. your sentiments are virtuous and sensitivities a credit, its a sad day when we cannot say what we like, even in humour which may have some truth in it, without fear of offence at the spirituality forum 🙂
And you're no longer ignored.
Originally posted by Ullrhes talking about his own kids or did you fail to comprehend that?
Read: Children are more easily brainwashed and thus make easier targets for roaming JW's.
i knew a Jewish girl, from Glasgow, when she was fifteen she herself was determined that she wanted to be one of Jehovahs witnesses, Lorna Philips was here name, but her parents forbid her. she used to sneak out of the house so that she could get to meetings. it might actually be news to you, but persons, minors might actually 'want', of their own will and volition, to become Jehovahs witnesses rather than submit to the will of their parents or their inhereted religion, i should know for when i was sixteen, a person came to my own home and we had a discussion, about the number of the beast, cause i was into iron maiden at the time, when he came back to answer MY QUESTIONS, my mother chased him away, i ran after him but by then he was gone.
therefore your assertions are absolutely based on utter sensationalism and would better fit the front page of a tabloid rather than a proper discussion on a serious subject! it may interest you to note, that the very same accusations were made against the first century christians, by the Romans, or have you never read Pliny the younger.
(Matthew 19:13-14) . . .Then young children were brought to him, for him to put his hands upon them and offer prayer; but the disciples reprimanded them. Jesus, however, said: “Let the young children alone, and stop hindering them from coming to me, for the kingdom of the heavens belongs to suchlike ones.”
you really aught to be ashamed of yourself!
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Originally posted by Proper KnobNoobster as a father you are responsible for indoctrinating or guiding your children? regardless there will come a time when the child shall make their own decisions! or what are we to do, just let them fumble along as best they can, picking up what they can from their classmates?
That's probably the most sinister post i've ever read on these forums. I read that post as -
'Children are more easily indoctrinated than adults because they can't think for themselves yet'
But it still doesn't answer my question of what you actually tell your children as to why daddy wont be giving them any presents on their birthday or Christmas even though everybody else does.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat about children dying because their stupid JW parents wont allow a blood transfusion?
hes talking about his own kids or did you fail to comprehend that?
i knew a Jewish girl, from Glasgow, when she was fifteen she herself was determined that she wanted to be one of Jehovahs witnesses, Lorna Philips was here name, but her parents forbid her. she used to sneak out of the house so that she could get to meetings. it might actually ...[text shortened]... ngdom of the heavens belongs to suchlike ones.”
you really aught to be ashamed of yourself!