Spectators in Hell

Originally posted by Suzianne
One also wonders that if you don't take anything in Revelation as real, then who did write it, when and why, in your personal opinion and certainty, do you NOT think "it actually is Jesus speaking in it"?

It's your claim that he is. But he was already dead when the book was written.

-Removed-

Yours is not a good analogy because the parents didn't invent Sing Sing prison for the sole purpose of banging them up in there for eternity. The parents are warning their child of some danger which is outside of thier control.
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As with most analogies, they are not perfect and if you want to, you can usually point out something non-analogous in them.

The eternal punishment was indeed prepared for the devil and his angels by God. And Ephesians says God is the Father of every family in the sense of all created living beings owe their source in one Head and Source of the all lives.

Jesus said the heavenly Father was "perfect" and not flawed. He referred to God His Father as "Righteous Father" and not " illogical, absurd, horrifically unjust, psychotic " .
I believe the Son of God.

"You therefore shall be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Matt. 5:48)

So if I believe that God did place some warnings into His Word and I believe that God is "perfect" then I feel not to reject the Bible.

Rather, there must be a greatest possible transgression against the greatest good, which is met with the worst punishment.

I lean towards the explanation that the sinning nature of the rejector must continue to pour forth offenses, locked into that irredeemable state of his own choosing. An unchangeable wickedness is then on an eternal collision course with the perfect God. Forgiveness has been insulted. The Son of God's love extended to bear the judgment in his place, has been spurned.

The nature does not cure or improve. Possibly it grows worse and worse. The result is the sinner against God forever. God against the sinner forever.

i don't like to think about it too much.
And I don't stay with this topic indefinitely.

There is no way you can cut it sonship, your interpretation of eternal suffering is, even from a theist perspective, illogical, absurd, horrifically unjust, psychotic in design and abominable morally.
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We humans have a vested interest in minimizing the seriousness of rejecting God. We cannot be trusted to determine what the punishment should be for rejecting Christ.

A congress of rapists, if asked to determine what the penalty should be for rape, might determine by vote that there should be no penalty. Or maybe they would determine a much lighter penalty.

They might accuse any harsher penalty of being " illogical, absurd, horrifically unjust, psychotic in design and abominable morally."

I definitely see God's longsuffering, forgiveness and mercy throughout the entire Bible. Even as He proclaimed Himself to Moses.

"Then Jehovah passed by before him and proclaimed, Jehovah, Jehovah, God compassionate and gracious, long-suffering, and abundant in lovingkindness and truth.

Keeping lovingkindness for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin; but He will by no means clear the guilty, ... "

Sure, I too might like to stop at "forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin ..." . But there is a "But" involving God not clearing [edited] the unrecoverable, irredeemable guilty off with infinite permissiveness.
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Please do not turn this into you saying I condemn you to eternal punishment for not believing in a doctrine of eternal punishment.

Originally posted by FMF
It's your claim that he is. But he was already dead when the book was written.

How ignorant you are. No wonder you abandoned him.

Jesus still lives.

-Removed-

And these "gasps of appalling disgust from non-Christians" actually bothers you?

How valuable do you consider your salvation anyways? Would you just give it up in order to not hear their "gasps"?

Originally posted by Suzianne
How ignorant you are. No wonder you abandoned him.

Jesus still lives.

Why do you think all humans all around the world ought to agree with you when you assert that Revelation has got Jesus actually speaking in it?

Originally posted by Suzianne
And these "gasps of appalling disgust from non-Christians" actually bothers you?

How valuable do you consider your salvation anyways? Would you just give it up in order to not hear their "gasps"?

Do you believe that divegeester's "salvation" is under any kind of threat due to his differences of opinion with other Christians here?

Originally posted by FMF
Do you believe that divegeester's "salvation" is under any kind of threat due to his differences of opinion with other Christians here?

You don't care what I believe. Stop posturing.

Originally posted by FMF
Why do you think all humans all around the world ought to agree with you when you assert that Revelation has got Jesus actually speaking in it?

Not "all humans". Just Christians.

Which doesn't include you. So why do you care?

Oh, yeah, another opportunity to bad-mouth me. Well, knock yourself out.

Originally posted by Suzianne
You don't care what I believe. Stop posturing.

The reason I asked the question is that "How valuable do you consider your salvation anyways? Would you just give it up in order to not hear their "gasps"?" seemed a rather peculiar and off-colour thing to say. Like lemon lime, you seem to be willing to jettison making sense or being consistent when you address certain posters.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Not "all humans". Just Christians.

Why do you think that non-Christians should agree with you when you assert that Revelation has got Jesus actually speaking to mankind in it?