Spirituality
24 Mar 18
I am a Christian, a real one in my opinion. I have a faith, I respect the gospel of Jesus Christ and I believe that Jesus is Lord.
However, I also look at Christianity and at the bible and the other part of me thinks “WTF!” Eternal torture, genocidal floods and talking snakes.
Anyone else have this issue, just wondering?
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24 Mar 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterBefore passing judgment, we ought to acknowledge we don’t know what the world was like before the flood (how evil it was,) and the “talking snake” was simply demon possessed. A famous case on Lindley Street in Bridgeport, CT USA had a talking cat that was witnessed by firefighters and police officers who responded to the house due to unexplained phenomenon. And annihilationism may well be correct - but even if it isn’t, I think you just have to trust in God and in His ways. A God that would send His Son to die a sacrificial death on the cross to save mankind can’t be as bad as one would think - just the opposite in fact.
I am a Christian, a real one in my opinion. I have a faith, I respect the gospel of Jesus Christ and I believe that Jesus is Lord.
However, I also look at Christianity and at the bible and the other part of me thinks “WTF!” Eternal torture, genocidal floods and talking snakes.
Anyone else have this issue, just wondering?
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Originally posted by @divegeesterWhat is the issue for you?
I am a Christian, a real one in my opinion. I have a faith, I respect the gospel of Jesus Christ and I believe that Jesus is Lord.
However, I also look at Christianity and at the bible and the other part of me thinks “WTF!” Eternal torture, genocidal floods and talking snakes.
Anyone else have this issue, just wondering?
Is it that there are people who claim that the Bible asserts that Eternal torture, genocidal floods and talking snakes are factual, and such facts collide with your picture of what is true? This is easy, there are such people and they are wrong. However, it leaves some doubt that the Bible is to be taken “literally.” Whatever that means. Whatever it means, it places responsibility for a proper reading of the Bible in your own hands. That’s a big deal. It’s at once freeing, and binding.
Or is it that the Lord Himself calls on you to believe these things are factual and you just can’t do it? That’s not so easy. Edit: but then the Lord is talking to you through these other humans? Don’t believe it for a minute.
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24 Mar 18
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Originally posted by @romans1009“A God that would send His Son to die a sacrificial death on the cross to save mankind can’t be as bad as one would think - just the opposite in fact.”
Before passing judgment, we ought to acknowledge we don’t know what the world was like before the flood (how evil it was,) and the “talking snake” was simply demon possessed. A famous case on Lindley Street in Bridgeport, CT USA had a talking cat that was witnessed by firefighters and police officers who responded to the house due to unexplained phenomen ...[text shortened]... ath on the cross to save mankind can’t be as bad as one would think - just the opposite in fact.
We’re just lucky we were still covered by the Manufacturer’s warranty.
24 Mar 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterDo you want some real advice?
I am a Christian, a real one in my opinion. I have a faith, I respect the gospel of Jesus Christ and I believe that Jesus is Lord.
However, I also look at Christianity and at the bible and the other part of me thinks “WTF!” Eternal torture, genocidal floods and talking snakes.
Anyone else have this issue, just wondering?
24 Mar 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Dont judge . Advise instead
Before passing judgment, we ought to acknowledge we don’t know what the world was like before the flood (how evil it was,) and the “talking snake” was simply demon possessed. A famous case on Lindley Street in Bridgeport, CT USA had a talking cat that was witnessed by firefighters and police officers who responded to the house due to unexplained phenomen ...[text shortened]... ath on the cross to save mankind can’t be as bad as one would think - just the opposite in fact.
24 Mar 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterWhat makes a real Christian, in your opinion?
I am a Christian, a real one in my opinion. I have a faith, I respect the gospel of Jesus Christ and I believe that Jesus is Lord.
However, I also look at Christianity and at the bible and the other part of me thinks “WTF!” Eternal torture, genocidal floods and talking snakes.
Anyone else have this issue, just wondering?
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Originally posted by @karoly-aczelMaybe you should listen to and act upon your own advice.
Dont judge . Advise instead
25 Mar 18
Originally posted by @js357These two positions are not mutually exclusive, however the first i now reject out of hand. Like most religious people I was “brought up” (loosest meaning) to believe x y z, or I have bec9me aware that a b c is believed by other Christians. I have decided to make my own mind up and I reject a lot of what other Christian believe, or have themselves been “brought up” to believe. The trinity and eternal suffering are two examples of things I never have believed anyway but genocide and murder does not fit with my moral code either.
What is the issue for you?
Is it that there are people who claim that the Bible asserts that Eternal torture, genocidal floods and talking snakes are factual, and such facts collide with your picture of what is true? This is easy, there are such people and they are wrong. However, it leaves some doubt that the Bible is to be taken “literally.” Whatever tha ...[text shortened]... : but then the Lord is talking to you through these other humans? Don’t believe it for a minute.
God has not told me to believe in these things.