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Originally posted by @rajk999
Im not clear about the incar .. what? Is that word in the Bible?
I only use the language of the bible.
Im clear about the person of Jesus Christ
Im with Peter. Jesus is the Son of the Living God.. end of Story.
Add to it and you are going to be toasting with your Satan friends.
The man who says that only Jesus can follow the commandments is the one that is mixed up and needs to be born anew.
Im with Peter. Jesus is the Son of the Living God.. end of Story.
Are you with the Apostle Peter when he writes of Jesus Christ being "our GOD and Savior" ?
" .. the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ." (See 2 Peter 1:1)
Is your God the Savior Jesus Christ ?
That's what Peter said.
Originally posted by @sonshipYou are a real knuclebrain. Learn to read. Then read the whole chapter and you will see that Peter is referring to God as one entity, and Jesus Christ, the Son of God as another. They are two separate and distinct entities.Im with Peter. Jesus is the Son of the Living God.. end of Story.
Are you with the Apostle Peter when he writes of Jesus Christ being [b]"our GOD and Savior" ?
" .. the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ." (See 2 Peter 1:1)
Is your God the Savior Jesus Christ ?
That's what Peter said.[/b]
The very next verse Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, (2 Peter 1:2 KJV)
God and Jesus Christ - two separate and distinct entitiers
A few verses down For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. (2 Peter 1:17 KJV)
God, and the beloved Son of God Jesus - two separate and distinct entities.
If you want to make that an issue that is your business. Christians who truly know Christ and follow Christ make a big issue about what Jesus said clearly abut good works and righteousness being the most critical element in getting eternal life.
Your type, the false Christian, ignore the teachings of Christ and instead make a big issue about trivialities which Jesus Christ and the Apostles did not preach. So I will leave you to it .. make a big fuss .. quote some more passages... knock yourself out.
Originally posted by @sonshipJesus commanded many thousands of followers to follow his commandments. Your statement that only Jesus can follow his commandments is an insult to Christ.The man who says that only Jesus can follow the commandments is the one that is mixed up and needs to be born anew.
The man who says that only Jesus can follow the commandments of Jesus has realized that just as we received Christ by faith we need to continue to walk in Him by faith.
And this is exactly what the Apostle Paul wrote -
...[text shortened]... did give you a string of verses on this, none of which I saw an effective rebuttal from you on.
Originally posted by @sonshipCan billions of non-Christians "perhaps" be "saved"? Your quibbling about the use of the word "billions" is an interesting development. Elaborate.
I have elaborated on [b]Revelation 14:6-9 and "the eternal gospel" being a warning about God as Creator.
I have in the past elaborated on John 14:6 that No one comes to the Father except through Me to mean through a living Person Christ Who will decide rather than "No one comes to the Father except through Christianity". I thin ...[text shortened]... I doubt that they apply to anyone who frequently comes here to talk about Christ and the Bible.[/b]
Originally posted by @apathistYou make these claims in a hit and run style.
Non-christians are never good neighbors. Or, you really are not good at thinking.
If I ask you for your best example of not good thinking from me you might jump to another subject like a nervous grasshopper in a hen house.
Unsubtantiated assertions really pile up with you apathist.
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Concerning Second Peter 1:1
" .. the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ." (See 2 Peter 1:1)
The slandering bearer of false witness Rajk999 argues:
You are a real knuclebrain. Learn to read. Then read the whole chapter and you will see that Peter is referring to God as one entity, and Jesus Christ, the Son of God as another. They are two separate and distinct entities.
The construction of the sentence I quoted is the same as that in Second Peter 1:11.
Second Peter 1:11
"For in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ... "
Second Peter 1:3b
" .. in the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ."
The language is in identical construcion.
1.) "our God and Savior Jesus Christ"
2.) "our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ"
If you argue that "our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" means Jesus Christ = Lord and Savior (which you should) ...
Then you must consistently argue that "our God and Savior Jesus Christ" means Jesus Christ = our God and Savior.
Recover your case by explaining to us why "Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" means Jesus Christ is BOTH in First Peter 1:11 ... BUT ... "God and Savior, Jesus Christ means Jesus Christ is NOT Both.
The very next verse Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, (2 Peter 1:2 KJV)
True. However that does not make the previous verse mean Jesus is NOT both God and Savior.
There are two distinct "Persons" but not separated.
Is Jesus Christ the Lord? Yes (1:8) .
Is Jesus Christ the Savior? Yes (1:1) .
Is Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior? Yes (1:11)
Is Jesus Christ the God and Savior? Yes ( 1:1) .
well then is there also God and our Lord as two distinct Persons? Yes, that too (1:2) .
Distinct but not SEPARATED.
One lives in the Other.
And the Other lives in the One.
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God and Jesus Christ - two separate and distinct entitiers
Distinct entitites but not separated.
The construction of Second Peter 1:1 declaring Jesus is God and Savior agrees also with Titus 2:13 - "Our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ."
"Awaiting the blessed hope, even the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ." (Titus 1:13)
Isaiah 9:6 prophesies that the child...born will be called "Mighty God" and that the "son .. given" will be called "Eternal Father".
So the New Testament confirms - "our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ"
So the New Testament confirms - "our God and Savior, Jesus Christ."
A few verses down For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. (2 Peter 1:17 KJV)
True. That is one of the reasons the ancient brothers coined the phrase Trinity and the phrase "Triune God".
Before either of us was born, seeking minds and believing hearts noticed the paradox and the mystery of God's nature.
Your next post can explain why I should believe - "our Lord and Savior" Jesus Christ but I should NOT believe that "our God and Savior" is NOT Jesus Christ.
I see not problem because I believe in the Three-Oneness of God. I believe in the Father's and the Son's and the Holy Spirit's mutual coinherance - They live within each other.
God, and the beloved Son of God Jesus - two separate and distinct entities.
Distinct but not separate.