1. R
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    09 Jul '18 23:184 edits

    If you want to make that an issue that is your business.


    The Bible makes it its business by prophesying that the "child ... born" will be the incarnation of "the Mighty God". The Bible makes it its business by predicting that the "son ... given" is the incarnation of the "Eternal Father". That's in Isaiah 9:6.

    When I received Jesus as Lord - immediately I knew God. And I knew that I knew.



    Your type, the false Christian, ignore the teachings of Christ and instead make a big issue about trivialities which Jesus Christ and the Apostles did not preach.


    The Apostle Thomas confessed Jesus as his Lord and his God.
    Why shouldn't I ?

    See John 20:28,29.


    So I will leave you to it ..


    No you won't.
    You'll return again and again to be more debunked.
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    09 Jul '18 23:46
    Originally posted by @sonship

    God and Jesus Christ - two separate and distinct entitiers


    Distinct entitites but not separated.

    The construction of [b]Second Peter 1:1
    declaring Jesus is God and Savior agrees also with Titus 2:13 - "Our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ."

    "Awaiting the blessed hope, even the appearing of the glo ...[text shortened]... ed Son of God Jesus - two separate and distinct entities.


    Distinct but not separate.
    I have to laugh at you. Your English is very poor.

    I say they are distinct and separate.

    You say they are distinct but not separated.

    You cannot see the difference .. Poor you ...LOL 😀
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    09 Jul '18 23:48
    Originally posted by @sonship

    God and Jesus Christ - two separate and distinct entitiers


    Distinct entitites but not separated.

    The construction of [b]Second Peter 1:1
    declaring Jesus is God and Savior agrees also with Titus 2:13 - "Our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ."

    "Awaiting the blessed hope, even the appearing of the glo ...[text shortened]... ed Son of God Jesus - two separate and distinct entities.


    Distinct but not separate.
    Your constant misquoting is annoying.

    This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; (Titus 1:13 KJV)
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    09 Jul '18 23:49
    Originally posted by @sonship

    If you want to make that an issue that is your business.


    The Bible makes it its business by prophesying that the [b]"child ... born"
    will be the incarnation of "the Mighty God". The Bible makes it its business by predicting that the "son ... given" is the incarnation of the "Eternal Father". That's in Isai ...[text shortened]... u to it .. [/quote]

    No you won't.
    You'll return again and again to be more debunked.
    When Jesus returns it is your good works and your righteousness that will count.
    Jesus has no interest in your knowledge of the Bible.

    Be warned.
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    10 Jul '18 00:084 edits
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    When Jesus returns it is your good works and your righteousness that will count.
    Jesus has no interest in your knowledge of the Bible.

    Be warned.
    I want to be judged now.

    As a Christian I need daily to consider how the Holy Spirit judges my walk.

    "But if we discern ourselves we would not be judged." ( 1 Cor. 11:31)


    Thanks for the reminder. But is that suppose to be your excuse for not believing that Jesus is God incarnate? - " the great God and Savior Jesus Christ?" (Titus 2:13)
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    10 Jul '18 00:133 edits
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    When Jesus returns it is your good works and your righteousness that will count.
    Jesus has no interest in your knowledge of the Bible.

    Be warned.
    When Jesus returns it is your good works and your righteousness that will count.
    Jesus has no interest in your knowledge of the Bible.

    Be warned.


    That's all well and good. But is that suppose to be your excuse for not believing Isaiah 9:6?

    The born child is called Mighty God.
    The given son is called Eternal Father.

    Is that warning suppose to somehow stand in for your unbelief ?
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    10 Jul '18 00:191 edit
    So you see when Rajk999's false teachings fall flat before the truth of Scripture then he skillfully shifts to warn about ...vain Bible knowledge.

    Neat trick.
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    10 Jul '18 01:05
    Originally posted by @sonship
    So you see when Rajk999's false teachings fall flat before the truth of Scripture then he skillfully shifts to warn about ...vain Bible knowledge.

    Neat trick.
    Jesus says he is the Son of God.
    God says Jesus is His Son
    Jesus said if you want eternal life, follow His commandments

    You profess a different doctrine and you preach that commandments are not important for eternal life.

    You are headed for damnation.
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    10 Jul '18 03:01
    Originally posted by @sonship
    I get along with my neighbors just fine.
    I don't know if all of them are Christians.
    I don't always ask.
    thx, seriously, good point. I judge neighbors based on their behavior, not the nutty crap in their heads. I'm full of nutty crap too.
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    10 Jul '18 11:252 edits
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Jesus says he is the Son of God.
    God says Jesus is His Son
    Jesus said if you want eternal life, follow His commandments

    You profess a different doctrine and you preach that commandments are not important for eternal life.

    You are headed for damnation.
    Before you go on to further lies you should substantiate some of your old ones.

    Did you yet PROVE by quotation that I taught that Judas will inherit the kingdom of God ?

    It has been almost a week now.
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    10 Jul '18 11:291 edit
    Now Jesus said from His own mouth that He was the "I AM" who was before Abraham existed. They knew exactly what He meant. And He meant what they understood.

    The Jehovah God that appeared to Moses in the burning bush in Exodus 3 -

    That was the same Person as was standing before them forgiving the condemned woman in John 8.

    Yahweh in Exodus 3:14 -

    "And God said to Moses, I AM WHO I AM, And He said, Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you."


    Jesus in John 8:57-59 -

    "The Jews then said to Him, You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?

    Jesus said to them, truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came into being, I am.

    And they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus was hidden and went out of the temple."


    Jesus taught that He was the Son of God Who is God come to earth as a man. He was the I AM of the time of the Exodus.

    If you have old Watchtower teacher's manuals telling you different, you have been deceived. Burn them.
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    10 Jul '18 11:311 edit
    Originally posted by @sonship
    Before you go on to further lies you should substantiate some of your old ones.

    Did you yet PROVE by quotation that I taught that Judas will inherit the kingdom of God ?

    It has been almost a week now.
    While you continue to focus on irrelevancies, my focus is on the teachings of Christ, pertaining to what one must do to enter the Kingdom of God. - If you want eternal life, Keep the commandments.

    Your preaching has derailed many a prospective follower of Christ by telling them
    that only Jesus can follow the commandments,
    that they do not have to follow the commandments,
    that following the commandments is legalistic,
    that they already have eternal life and need nothing further.

    You are heading to damnation.
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    10 Jul '18 12:061 edit
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    While you continue to focus on irrelevancies,


    John chapter 8 is not irrelevant because it proves that Jesus taught that He was the God of the Old Testament become a man.


    my focus is on the teachings of Christ,


    John 8:58 is part of the teaching of Christ.


    pertaining to what one must do to enter the Kingdom of God.


    Yes you try to harp on that while denying the King Himself.

    My King is God become a man. The great God and Savior Jesus Christ (Titus 2:13, Second Peter 1:1)

    If you say Titus 2:13 and Second Peter 1:1 are not the teaching of Christ as well then you don't receive those who Jesus sent as Apostles. And then you don't receive Jesus.

    " Truly, truly, I say to you, He who receives whomever I send receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me." (John 13:20)


    Jesus said He was the "I AM" - the God in Exodus.

    Those who He sent said He was the great God and Savior Jesus Christ Titus 2:19) the God and Savior Jesus Christ 2 Pet. 1:1..

    You harp on entering the kingdom while fighting AGAINST the King of the kingdom.

    Tragic deception.


    - If you want eternal life, Keep the commandments.


    To know eternal life know God and Him Whom He has sent, Jesus Christ.

    "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Him whom You have sent, Jesus Christ." (John 17:3)



    Your preaching has derailed many a prospective follower of Christ by telling them
    that only Jesus can follow the commandments,


    Why then did He say -

    " ... for apart from Me you can do nothing" ( John 15:5b)
    ?


    that they do not have to follow the commandments,



    I don't teach that. There is having the gift of eternal life and there is entering into the enjoyment of that life.

    Of course obedience to the indwelling Christ opens up more and more the enjoyment of that life.

    You lie about what I teach and how I teach.
    But then again you lie about what the New Testament teaches.
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    10 Jul '18 12:18
    Originally posted by @sonship
    While you continue to focus on irrelevancies,


    [b] John chapter 8
    is not irrelevant because it proves that Jesus taught that He was the God of the Old Testament become a man.


    my focus is on the teachings of Christ,


    John 8:58 is part of the teaching of Christ.

    [quote]
    pertaining to what one must do ...[text shortened]... out what I teach and how I teach.
    But then again you lie about what the New Testament teaches.[/b]
    Jesus said He was the Son of God
    God said that Jesus was His Beloved Son
    Peter said that Jesus was the Messiah the Son of the Living God
    Paul said God is the head of Christ
    Jesus said His Father is greater.

    Jesus said follow the commandments if you want eternal life
    Jesus said do good works and live righteously
    Jesus said those who do not help the poor and needy will be cast out.

    You can rant and rave and twist and manipulate all you like.
    You can boast that you have the Holy Spirit and eternal life all you like
    You can write all the voluminous nonsense all you like

    In the end it is the righteous who refrain from a life of sin that enters the Kingdom of God.
    All others are cast out.
  15. R
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    10 Jul '18 16:22
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    You did not answer this question.

    Why then did He say -

    " ... for apart from Me you can do nothing" ( John 15:5b)
    ?
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