The Role of the Unrepentant Skeptic

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Really? Is that it? I'm genuinely embarrassed for you.

Go stand in the corner.

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Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Really? Is that it? I'm genuinely embarrassed for you.

Go stand in the corner.

Hey GoaD, I am you, you lying swine. Except at chess, you seem to be better at that.

Originally posted by dj2becker
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Reduced to emoticons?

Time perhaps for a new account? (I just checked and Nincompoop is still available).

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
Hey GoaD, I am you, you lying swine. Except at chess, you seem to be better at that.

Test question. Do you wear a cravat?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Reduced to emoticons?

Time perhaps for a new account? (I just checked and Nincompoop is still available).

You're funny, just as Starrman was.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Test question. Do you wear a cravat?

Only when i want to impress the ladies during the late 60s/early 70s.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
Only when i want to impress the ladies during the late 60s/early 70s.

Appears sir we are not the same person after all.

I wear a cravat to do the washing up.

Originally posted by DeepThought
That was my rough understanding. I haven't read all 18 pages, the first few seemed to consist of nothing but FMF being upset at being condemned to eternal hellfire.

The OP talked about predestination, if Dr Evil was created and predestined to be evil, then moral responsibility seems to lie with his creator, rather than Dr Evil himself.

As has been ...[text shortened]... ystem where humans have free will (in the absolute sense) and God is omniscient before the fact.

"... it is difficult to envisage a coherent system where humans have free will (in the absolute sense) and God is omniscient before the fact."

Somewhere in my religious training I picked up the notion that the knowledge that the traditional biblical God has of our lives is complete and entire, not revealed to him over time; put another way he is not sitting around waiting for things to become known to him only as they happen in our space-time. His experience of our historical lives was likened to coming across a completed painting, not coming across a painting being painted. This seems to imply that if God exists in time, it is a time dimension that differs from the one we inhabit, in that to God, our life is seen all at once by him.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
That's all very well, but if this god really wants to offer salvation to sceptics, it's gonna have to come up with a better way than the bible to get the message across. Any fool can write rules and fables and then say god told them to do it.

If that was all He did,or ever did, I would agree, but its not.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Appears sir we are not the same person after all.

I wear a cravat to do the washing up.

Well obviously I do when I'm washing up. I'm not crazy. I thought you meant when I'm outside.

Originally posted by KellyJay
If that was all He did,or ever did, I would agree, but its not.

What else does it do then? Because in all honesty, without the scripture, I can't see any justification for belief in your god whatsoever.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
That's all very well, but if this god really wants to offer salvation to sceptics, it's gonna have to come up with a better way than the bible to get the message across. Any fool can write rules and fables and then say god told them to do it.

You forget that many believers used to be a skeptics.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
What else does it do then? Because in all honesty, without the scripture, I can't see any justification for belief in your god whatsoever.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. When you hear His voice do not harden your heart.

Originally posted by dj2becker
You forget that many believers used to be a skeptics.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. When you hear His voice do not harden your heart.

Read the thread m8, we're talking about unrepentant sceptics.

There is no 'word of god', just the words of people who you think are 'inspired' by god.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
Read the thread m8, we're talking about unrepentant sceptics.

There is no 'word of god', just the words of people who you think are 'inspired' by god.

Read the thread m8, we're talking about unrepentant sceptics.

Presently unrepentant doesn't mean they won't repent in the future m8. Many current believers were unrepentant skeptics for decades, until the light eventually shone through.

There is no 'word of god', just the words of people who you think are 'inspired' by god.

This is your current view as a skeptic, this may change in the future.