Originally posted by Jay Joos
All sins are the worst.....

They are all bad no one is denying that, at least those of us who
believe in sin, but the ones that grab us and we hold on to are the
worst for each of us, and they may not be the same ones for me as
they are for you. The sin that easily beset us are the ones we need to
deal with.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Which makes the worst sin anything that keeps you from that would
it not be? If our hate for a fellow man, because of the other guys skin
color was that great it over whelmed our love for God I'd say in that
case it would be keeping us from God, if our love for sexual pleasure
was that great it kept us from God, that too would be it, it could be
whatev ...[text shortened]... in front of our love for God and man that is more
important to us right now down here.
Kelly

Exactly....🙂

Originally posted by KellyJay
They are all bad no one is denying that, at least those of us who
believe in sin, but the ones that grab us and we hold on to are the
worst for each of us, and they may not be the same ones for me as
they are for you. The sin that easily beset us are the ones we need to
deal with.
Kelly

Yep....i agree!!!

Originally posted by KellyJay
They are all bad no one is denying that, at least those of us who
believe in sin, but the ones that grab us and we hold on to are the
worst for each of us, and they may not be the same ones for me as
they are for you. The sin that easily beset us are the ones we need to
deal with.
Kelly

But we can not deal with any of our sins. We just have to accept them. Adam brought sin into the world, and we are all sinners. There is nothing to deal with.
Fortunately, believers are all forgiven.

Originally posted by Varqa
But we can not deal with any of our sins. We just have to accept them. Adam brought sin into the world, and we are all sinners. There is nothing to deal with.
Fortunately, believers are all forgiven.

Vega,

Excellent posts in this thread. All insights here are well thought out.

I just wanted to clarify your above post. When you say that we cannot deal with sin and that we should just accept it, it almost sounds as though you are saying that for someone to strive to live sinlessly would be pointless. Surely we have all sinned, and for those sins we may repent and be forgiven. But it is our calling to eradicate sin from our lives. The Bible clearly states that we should try to be like Christ, who lived sinlessly.

Now surely, I am not suggesting that a believer never sins. I am a believer and yet I understand that I am a weak creature, relying on constant course-correction, if you will, from the Holy Spirit.

Let me use an analogy here. I will never be a World Chess Champion. I'm not that good and do not contain the capacity to achieve that. But I still strive to play like them. I study their moves. I listen to their guidance. I try to eradicate any poor play and never blunder again.

Is this a futile attempt? No. I know that I will blunder again, probably several times today. But in trying to be like the WC, I improve my play, and may eventually get to a level when I very rarely blunder. My chess career will be more rewarding.

In the same way we should strive to be like Christ. We should try to avoid sin.

It is true when you say that believers are forgiven. But this is because a true believer is one who repents. To repent literally means to turn away from.

I am sure we are of agreement on this, I just wanted to clarify so that no one might misunderstand.

Originally posted by AProdigy
Vega,

Excellent posts in this thread. All insights here are well thought out.

I just wanted to clarify your above post. When you say that we cannot deal with sin and that we should just accept it, it almost sounds as though you are saying that for someone to strive to live sinlessly would be pointless. Surely we have all sinned, and for those sin ...[text shortened]... sure we are of agreement on this, I just wanted to clarify so that no one might misunderstand.

Fully understood and appreciated...thank you!!!

Originally posted by Varqa
But we can not deal with any of our sins. We just have to accept them. Adam brought sin into the world, and we are all sinners. There is nothing to deal with.
Fortunately, believers are all forgiven.

Repent and cast your cares upon Christ, you cannot earn salvation it
is a gift! Sin takes hold of lives, and people yield to its pleasures they
do so without a repentant heart, so I would say there is something to
deal with, our wills, they need to be turning to the one that calls us to
know Him while He may be found. We cannot be good enough, but we
must know Him, He knows His own.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Repent and cast your cares upon Christ, you cannot earn salvation it
is a gift! Sin takes hold of lives, and people yield to its pleasures they
do so without a repentant heart, so I would say there is something to
deal with, our wills, they need to be turning to the one that calls us to
know Him while He may be found. We cannot be good enough, but we
must know Him, He knows His own.
Kelly

Yes, yes, I know Him and I have a repentant heart, and I turn to Him, but I am sorry, I can't do anything about my sins. We are all sinners and He died and paid for them all. I might as well go ahead and enjoy myself.

Originally posted by Varqa
Yes, yes, I know Him and I have a repentant heart, and I turn to Him, but I am sorry, I can't do anything about my sins. We are all sinners and He died and paid for them all. I might as well go ahead and enjoy myself.

Where are you going for your joy when you enjoy yourself?
Kelly

Originally posted by Varqa
Yes, yes, I know Him and I have a repentant heart, and I turn to Him, but I am sorry, I can't do anything about my sins. We are all sinners and He died and paid for them all. I might as well go ahead and enjoy myself.

Wow!

I disagree with you on so many levels here. I don't even know how to start...

Where are you getting this theology from?

Again, I'm sure I must be misunderstanding you. You say you might as well go ahead and enjoy yourself? That's not Biblical at all. Were the 10 commandments put in place just so that the Israelites knew what to ask forgiveness for? Of course not. They were principals to live by. Does the Bible tell you to avoid the sins of the flesh, love your neighbor, obey God, and such just so that you can keep an accurate sin log, or something? ("Wow, 132 sins today! A new record!"😉

Can you please confirm that you are indeed saying that you should sin all you want because you can't help yourself and, heck, you're forgiven anyway?

If so, I'm just going to have to ignore because that’s not based on anything Christian or any other religion than I'm aware of. If not, I apologize for misunderstanding you.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Where are you going for your joy when you enjoy yourself?
Kelly

Wherever my sinful nature takes me.

Originally posted by Varqa
Wherever my sinful nature takes me.

You have a sinful nature, and it is there you want to go for your joy?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You have a sinful nature, and it is there you want to go for your joy?
Kelly

You lost me there.

Originally posted by Varqa
You lost me there.

I'm not the only one that has issue with what you said, acknowledging
our sinful nature and then allowing it to lead and guide our lives is not
repenting and coming to Christ. I'm not sure what you meant, but what
you said sure can be taken wrong.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'm not sure what you meant, but what
you said sure can be taken wrong.
Kelly

Kelly,

I am beginning to be afraid that he actually means it. 😲