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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou're welcome, I suppose, to believe that your judgement and choice is better than the so called 'private religion' Christians you refer to, or better than Christians who choose to be members of religious organisations other than your own. You too choose what appeals to you and reject those elements you don't want, for your own subjective reasons. Worth remembering.
Those who are determined to follow so called 'private religion', are attending a
religious buffet, in other words they pick and choose what appeals to them and
reject those elements which dont.
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Originally posted by FMFahem, I actually provided reasons, with references and illustrations and no i have
You're welcome, I suppose, to believe that your judgement and choice is better than the so called 'private religion' Christians you refer to, or better than Christians who choose to be members of religious organisations other than your own. You too choose what appeals to you and reject those elements you don't want, for your own subjective reasons. Worth remembering.
originated none of my religious beliefs! worth remembering! I also did not state that
my form of worship was better, although i think it is! i merely pointed out the problems
with those who claim that private worship is legitimate.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat's exactly it: you have originated none of your religious beliefs. You have instead bought into a package that saves you the bother of original thought and precludes the exercise of your individual spiritual curiosity - indeed, any departure from what the dogma you have chosen to internalize, could result in you being disfellowshipped and shunned. And it is your subjective opinion that your organisation's path trumps everybody else's.
ahem, I actually provided reasons, with references and illustrations and no i have
originated none of my religious beliefs! worth remembering!
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Originally posted by FMFindeed, Christ made a rather telling point,
That's exactly it: you have originated none of your religious beliefs. You have instead bought into a package that saves you the bother of original thought and precludes the exercise of your individual spiritual curiosity - indeed, any departure from what the dogma you have chosen to internalize, could result in you being disfellowshipped and shunned. And it is your subjective opinion that your organisation's path trumps everybody else's.
(John 7:18) . . .He that speaks of his own originality is seeking his own glory; but he
that seeks the glory of him that sent him, this one is true, and there is no
unrighteousness in him.
and you seem to have missed the point, a Christian is merely a messenger, an
emissary or ambassador substituting for Christ, our religious values are not borne
from our own originality. To say that it saves us the bother of original thought is
also a misunderstanding, for we are constantly using our discernment within the
framework of our beliefs, through the faculty of conscience, to discern what is wise
(the application of knowledge) and what is not. Again disfellowshipping is a biblical
requirement, it keeps the congregations clean from unwholesome influence and
preserves the 'chasteness', of the congregations, as a consequence we are wholly
united and have no, i repeat no fractions, resulting in a unified worldwide
brotherhood, Again compare this with the consequences of private religion and one
can see just how practical and beneficial it is. Sure you pick and choose at the
spiritual buffet those elements which appear appealing to you and reject those
elements which dont, but wisdom is proven righteous by its works!
(2 Peter 1:20) . . .For you know this first, that no prophecy of Scripture springs from
any private interpretation. . .
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt is my view that you also subjectively choose what appeals to you, and reject those elements you don't want, and in your case you subscribe to a package deal that you perceive does the spiritual trick for you. As far as the "works" of Jehovah's Witnesses, they are what they are, and I am willing to admire anything that deserves admiration, but those "works" do not in and of themselves "prove" anything.
Sure you pick and choose at the
spiritual buffet those elements which appear appealing to you and reject those
elements which dont, but wisdom is proven righteous by its works!
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Originally posted by FMFAccording to the Bible and what Jesus laid out in his design or structure of the congregation and again the most important is the worldwide teaching work that he commanded his followers "Christians" to do is simply not done by any other religion.
Wait. So what you're saying is, the JW organisation is the only religious organisation that is a legitimate Christian organisation? Have I understood you correctly?
The Mormons do a very simply door to door work but it's not really door to door in the sense they just kind of see who's out in a front yard and even then it's really hit and miss. And the big issue with the Mormons is they only believe the bible to a certian point. The Book of Mormons contradicts the Bible on many levels as well as to Jesus himself and will accept their book over the Bible.
Originally posted by FMFWell that is completley not true. We believe very word in the Bible. The differernace is we do not accept man made beliefs and doctrines that have been inserted into many religions such as the trinity, a burning hell, christmas and other pagan beliefs.
It is my view that you also subjectively choose what appeals to you, and reject those elements you don't want, and in your case you subscribe to a package deal that you perceive does the spiritual trick for you. As far as the "works" of Jehovah's Witnesses, they are what they are, and I am willing to admire anything that deserves admiration, but those "works" do not in and of themselves "prove" anything.
This is why we are not accepted by all other religions and that is because we don't accept and allow those beliefs into our worship.
And that is picking what appeals to us because it's easy or it's fun? I don't think so. We simply reject those teachings just as those other churches should be doing, but they don't.
So how could the works like in our door to door work we do that is designed for one thing only and that is to teach anyone on this planet about Jehovah, who he truely is, how he can help their life's to be better on many levels such as health, freedom from pagan beliefs, and then show them from the Bible the wonderful future he promisses for us and this planet, and we do this on our time, our money our efforts to find all we can, be willing to take abuse at ones doors and even go to jail or worse, be put to death for it as history has shown, not be something you would not admire?
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Originally posted by galveston75Well, perhaps we need to get something straight, galveston75. I respect your right to choose to go door to door, and good for you if it gives you what you see as some meaning to your life, but that's as far as it goes: I have no respect whatsoever for the substance of it. Personally, I reckon you totally overestimate and overstate what it actually is. It strikes many people as a self-regarding imposition on other people.
So how could the works like in our door to door work we do that is designed for one thing only and that is to teach anyone on this planet about Jehovah, who he truely is, how he can help their life's to be better on many levels such as health, freedom from pagan beliefs, and then show them from the Bible the wonderful future he promisses for us and this ...[text shortened]... l or worse, be put to death for it as history has shown, not be something you would not admire?
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Originally posted by FMFSorry but we are not looking to add some meaning to our lifes. That would be selfish would it not? We are not in this for some supid glory reward. This is not the reason Jesus or his followers did it, was it?
Well, perhaps we need to get something straight, galveston75. I respect your right to choose to go door to door, and good for you if it gives you what you see as some meaning to your life, but that's as far as it goes: I have no respect whatsoever for the substance of it. Personally, I reckon you totally overestimate and overstate what it actually is. It strikes many people as a self-regarding imposition on other people.
The problem that most like yourself don't understand and get a little if not alot ticked off by us knocking on the doors is we are doing this to save life's.
Satan has diluted this fact that is so clear in the Bible that most will probably die at armegeddon if they have not come to know Jehovah and desire to worship him, live on a planet that will become the paradise as it should be and have come to realize we owe our existance to him and are willing to help others come to know this.
And whether you or the majority of mankind cares about that, it's still a fact that God is going to cleanze this earth of all godlessness and eventually destroy satan who is the main cause we are in the condition we are in, and there is nothing you or anyone who doesn't care can stop this from happening.
That is why we go to your door to offer to teach you those facts, facts that you obviously know very, very little about and we know that. That's why we come to your door.
But you and your family could if you so desired learn. If not then be aware of the future...
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Originally posted by galveston75Christ said that if someone is not interested in hearing what you have to say then leave them alone.
Sorry but we are not looking to add some meaning to our lifes. That would be selfish would it not? We are not in this for some supid glory reward. This is not the reason Jesus or his followers did it, was it?
The problem that most like yourself don't understand and get a little if not alot ticked off by us knocking on the doors is we are doing this to ut you and your family could if you so desired learn. If not then be aware of the future...
Why then do the JWs insist on knocking on every door despite being told that WE ARE NOT INTERESTED. PLEASE DO NOT KNOCK ON MY DOOR AGAIN. THANK YOU.
I have had that experience with JWs.
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Originally posted by Rajk999What evidence other than your own personal experience, which cannot be
Christ said that if someone is not interested in hearing what you have to say then leave them alone.
Why then do the JWs insist on knocking on every door despite being told that WE ARE NOT INTERESTED. PLEASE DO NOT KNOCK ON MY DOOR AGAIN. THANK YOU.
I have had that experience with JWs.
independently corroborated do you have that Jehovah's Witnesses insist on knocking
every door despite being told not to? Here we take as note of people that do not want
to be called upon and dont go back, so what evidence do you have? Let it be noted
that in the recent past you also claimed that we brainwash our adherents and could
provide no evidence although repeatedly asked to do so and that we utilise a specific
Biblical translation which forms the basis of our erroneous doctrines, again, providing
no evidence, add to this your propensity for taking partial quotations from articles you
have not read and one can see that your personal testimony amounts to nothing,
having absolutely no credibility based on your posting record, does it. So what
evidence do you have?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe best evidence is first hand experience.
What evidence other than your own personal experience, which cannot be
independently corroborated do you have that Jehovah's Witnesses insist on knocking
every door despite being told not to? Here we take as note of people that do not want
to be called upon and dont go back, so what evidence do you have? Let it be noted
that in the recent p ...[text shortened]... solutely no credibility based on your posting record, does it. So what
evidence do you have?
Originally posted by Rajk999Yes he did and we try to follow that. If you will tell them "nicely" they will try to adhere to your wish. But we have new ones that don't know that and will accidently come to your door. We try to make the effort to mark your address down on the territory card as a "do not call person" but sometimes that is not seen or noticed on the card.
Christ said that if someone is not interested in hearing what you have to say then leave them alone.
Why then do the JWs insist on knocking on every door despite being told that WE ARE NOT INTERESTED. PLEASE DO NOT KNOCK ON MY DOOR AGAIN. THANK YOU.
I have had that experience with JWs.
If you are planning on living in that residence forever then it hopefully it won't be a problem in not coming to your door anymore. But many do move and that is one reason we will eventually come back to check. If your still there "nicely" let them know and with all their might, they will try not to come back.
As long as Jesus is directing this work we do earthwide, we will continue to find the ones that are interested in what we show them from the Bible.
But the day will come that this work will be over. Then things will become very interesting for the whole planet................... Stay tuned.
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Adjective:
Of, relating to, or professing Christianity or its teachings.
Noun:
A person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.
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A follower or believer in Christ and though we can't do this on our own we want to obey his commands no doubt. Becoming a Christian is actually the hardest thing a person will ever do. The reason I say this is because I believe man really is fallen and it's impossible to believe in God without God's help or obey his commands. When you become a Christian your hearts desire will be to want to obey. lastly you can and will want to know Christ as He already knows us. Changing our hearts in a new direction.
Manny
Originally posted by menace71Yes it can be a hard thing to be no doubt. We've seen what being a Christian can do with sometimes harmful results, even death.
Adjective:
Of, relating to, or professing Christianity or its teachings.
Noun:
A person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.
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A follower or believer in Christ and though we can't do this on our own we want to obey his commands no d ...[text shortened]... ant to know Christ as He already knows us. Changing our hearts in a new direction.
Manny
But it can also be the most rewarding thing a person can be on many levels. It can also make one feel so blessed to be used by God to help others become familiar with God and his son and what his Kingdom will do for humans in the future.
It is an undeserved gift from God and nothing we do can earn that for us. But he does expect us to give this gift of knowledge to others just as it was given to us. We can never neglect that obligation to help spread that knowledge to all that will listen.