-Removed-You're becoming shrill and emotional, which is causing you to be irrational and illogical.
The "immutable truth" is not MY truth as though I created it and brought it into existence.
Jesus is the truth, and He found me. I own the truth in the sense that I am His and He is mine, and while I experience a subjective and emotional response to that fact, I wouldn't have known the truth objectively if Jesus hadn't shown it to me.
@secondson saidWhether an assertion about a "supernatural thing" is true or false is a matter of speculation and faith and therefore subjective.
A "supernatural thing" is either true or false. Its veracity has its effect on the intellect objectively, and can affect the emotions subjectively.
-Removed-You said "your truth", which implies I added to "the truth" or made something up out of my own imagination.
I didn't invent Jesus Christ, nor did I say that He is the truth except He said it of Himself first.
You should pat closer attention to what you say. In my opinion most of it is superfluous and distracting from the narrative of the discussion.
@secondson saidIt isn't "knowledge" in the sense that it's a set of objective facts. You are using the world "knowledge" to signal thay you are very certain about the subjective opinions and perspectives (your faith) that you have about spiritual matters.
True, but knowing that won't change my belief in, and knowledge of, the immutable truth.
@secondson saidYou appear to have a very hazy grasp of what the words subjective and objective mean.
The immutable truth is by its very nature objective. It exists independently of my subjective response to it. Objectively I give intellectual assent to its factuality. Subjectively I respond to its affect on my emotions and the effect it has on my life personally.
-Removed-It is not wise to make comparisons between individuals, especially those in the church.
"For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise."
@secondson saidWhat you happen to decide to call "the immutable truth" is "YOUR truth" in so far as you attaching the "immutable" label to it is a process that takes place in the realm of your subjectivity.
The "immutable truth" is not MY truth as though I created it and brought it into existence.
@fmf saidYou contradict yourself. You deny the existence of "things supernatural", yet presume to speak to the subject of faith with regards to the veracity of immutable truth and whether or not it's objective or subjective.
Whether an assertion about a "supernatural thing" is true or false is a matter of speculation and faith and therefore subjective.
The fact that something exists is independent of anyone's subjective response to it. Therefore it is in that sense an objectively observable fact, an immutable truth.
@fmf saidThat's your subjective opinion. One I've heard repeatedly from you. Until you can prove your opinion is an objective fact it remains only your subjective opinion subject to question.
You appear to have a very hazy grasp of what the words subjective and objective mean.
Start a thread about it. We can all argue over what the terms objective and subjective mean that we learned in the third grade.
@fmf saidApparently you have a very hazy grasp of what "immutable" means.
What you happen to decide to call "the immutable truth" is "YOUR truth" in so far as you attaching the "immutable" label to it is a process that takes place in the realm of your subjectivity.