Why Do You Think Jesus Wept ?

Originally posted by Rajk999
A wrong JW is still right.
Remember they are 'God's' Organisation.

We are all wrong at times; I find it sad but also amusing that the JW people simply cannot afford to be wrong, cannot afford to question their organisation, because as you say, they are God's organisation.

I am sorry that I have not been able to offer a view until now.

There are two places in the New Testament where Jesus cried. And I have heard that there are two different Greek words to express this.

One is his really sobbing hard over Jerusalem.
The other is in John 11 where I heard the word means that a tear trickled down.

Originally posted by divegeester
Good grief.

John 11:6
So when he [Jesus] heard that Lazarus was sick, he remained in the place where he was for two more days.


Galveston posted: [b]"You need to read those verses more as your flat wrong buddy......"

I think it is you who should read what is actually written my friend.[/b]

That says nothing that he KNEW Lazarus was going to die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So to assume Jesus knew he was going to die is really streaching what the Bible says....

Originally posted by RJHinds
This was to insure it was a picture of Christ being dead for 3 days and
3 nights.

What????? This is getting really silly now...

Originally posted by Rajk999
A wrong JW is still right.
Remember they are 'God's' Organisation.

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Originally posted by divegeester
It was not to do with Lazarus dying; Jesus wept because of their unbelief.

Did Jesus cry because of other people's hard hearts?

Originally posted by galveston75
Also if this proposal of letting Lazarus die on purpose would be cruel. This would be implying that Jesus let the others die that he also resurrected just to prove a point? I don't think so....
Don't add to the Bible and that is a serious warning which is clearly written in scripture.

Again I state this. To think Jesus did this on purpose is beyond reason and with absolutly no scriptures to even hint of this plan.

Originally posted by gambit3
Did Jesus cry because of other people's hard hearts?

I believe this is more the reason. He wept over the state of the people under the dominion of their natural thoughts, lack of faith, and their being dominated by apparent sight rather than the power and Person and possibility of God.

Originally posted by galveston75
That says nothing that he KNEW Lazarus was going to die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So to assume Jesus knew he was going to die is really streaching what the Bible says....

That says nothing that he KNEW Lazarus was going to die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So to assume Jesus knew he was going to die is really streaching what the Bible says....

It indicates that Jesus purposely stayed away. I can see no other reason for doing so. He was under the direction of the Father and not merely His human feelings.

If the Father moved Him to remain there He would obey that will of the Father. Why don't you write out for us the verses in which the waiting of Jesus is explained.

Originally posted by jaywill

That says nothing that he KNEW Lazarus was going to die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So to assume Jesus knew he was going to die is really streaching what the Bible says....

It indicates that Jesus purposely stayed away. I can see no other reason for doing so. He was under the direction of the Father and not merely His human feelings.

If the ...[text shortened]... e Father. Why don't you write out for us the verses in which the waiting of Jesus is explained.

Well I'm afraid what you think or believe is not scripturally founded but just an opinion.
The problem with this thinking that you use " I believe" is where so many ideas have started from opinions and not from simple scriptural fact. And that in turn starts a snowball affect and before one knows it the truth has become foggy and unclear.
Stick to the scripture and what it says......

Sounds like a trinty issue for example where the scripture clearly says God is
((( 1 ))) God. But opinions and thoughts and the influance of outside beliefs has now changed the whole Bible for millions into untruths.
Read what the Bible says, not what we think it says.

Originally posted by galveston75
Well I'm afraid what you think or believe is not scripturally founded but just an opinion.
The problem with this thinking that you use " I believe" is where so many ideas have started from opinions and not from simple scriptural fact. And that in turn starts a snowball affect and before one knows it the truth has become foggy and unclear.
Stick to th ...[text shortened]... hole Bible for millions into untruths.
Read what the Bible says, not what we think it says.

This is a general question, not for any one person.

Was Jesus all-knowing?

Originally posted by galveston75
That says nothing that he KNEW Lazarus was going to die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So to assume Jesus knew he was going to die is really streaching what the Bible says....

So Jesus knew Lazarus was seriously ill and that his family were calling for him to come but he decides not to. Why?

You say he cried because his friend had died, then why didn't he go to him, malicious? Not caring? But he cried!

Your account makes no sense and as usual you and robbie (let's not pretend he will have a different view to you on something) think differently to every other Christian.

Besides, do you not think that Jesus would have known Lararus' condition in the same way he knew the man's son had been healed?

Originally posted by JS357
This is a general question, not for any one person.

Was Jesus all-knowing?

Nope...

Originally posted by divegeester
So Jesus knew Lazarus was seriously ill and that his family were calling for him to come but he decides not to. Why?

You say he cried because his friend had died, then why didn't he go to him, malicious? Not caring? But he cried!

Your account makes no sense and as usual you and robbie (let's not pretend he will have a different view to you on so ...[text shortened]... have known Lararus' condition in the same way he knew the man's son had been healed?

We could say the sky is blue and you'd still spout out and disagree wouldn't you? I'm about to stop answering you as I do not answer Rajk...it's getting to be a waist of time.

Why did it take Jesus four days to arrive at the tomb of Lazarus?

Basically, it seems that Jesus arranged matters that way. Why can we say that? Consider the account recorded in John chapter 11.
When Lazarus, a resident of Bethany and a friend of Jesus, fell seriously ill, his sisters sent word to Jesus. (Verses 1-3) At the time, Jesus was a two-day journey or so from Bethany. (John 10:40) Lazarus evidently died about the time that the news reached Jesus. What did Jesus do? He “remained two days in the place where he was,” and then he left for Bethany. (Verses 6, 7) Hence, by waiting two days and then traveling two days, he arrived at the tomb four days after Lazarus’ death.—Verse 17.
Earlier, Jesus had performed two resurrections—one right after the death of the person and the other likely sometime later on the day of death. (Luke 7:11-17; 8:49-55) Could he raise up someone who had been dead for four days and whose body had already begun to decompose? (Verse 39) Interestingly, one Bible reference work says that among the Jews, there was a belief that no hope was possible “for a person who had been dead for four days; by then the body showed recognizable decay, and the soul, which was thought to hover over the body for three days, had left.”
If any of those gathered at the tomb had doubts, they were about to witness Jesus’ power over death. Standing before the open tomb, Jesus cried out: “Lazarus, come on out!” Then, “the man that had been dead came out.” (Verses 43, 44) The resurrection, not the false notion of many that the soul lives on after death, is the real hope for the dead.—Ezekiel 18:4; John 11:25.


If Jesus has left the hour he was told about his friend Lazarus's sickness, he was still 2 days away from arriving there. Lazarus would have been already dead by the time he would have arrived and this is something Jesus already knew by what he says in verses 13 & 14 in John 11.


John 11:13-14
English Standard Version (ESV)

13 Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that he meant taking rest in sleep. 14 Then Jesus told them plainly, “Lazarus has died,


So Jesus did not ignor the situation, was not wanting to prove a point, but he knew he was already dead and had other issues to complete before he left back to resurrect Lazarus.........