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Originally posted by checkbaiterHere is one doctrine on which we agree. Satan, Devil, False Prophet and the Beast plus all those who are called devils angels are tormented. Several evil kings and leaders are some of these devils angels.
You would be right, I cannot tell him no. But as Dive said in different words, it is your understanding of the scriptures that is at fault here.
God is all good and in Him is no darkness....(you know the verse)
Eternal torment is darkness. It is not in His character understanding the whole scope of the scriptures.
I believe Satan will be tormented for ...[text shortened]... e to pay for his crimes and sin, but even he will eventually be reduced to ashes and be no more.
Many will be cast into the lake of fire but most will die and be destroyed permanently. The doctrine of the eternal soul is not in the Bible and this is the doctrine that eternal torment is based on.
The other issue is that there are billions of people who live out their lives as average people doing neither good nor bad. These Christians claim that all of these people are tormented eternally simply for not knowing of Christ. This alone shows me the kind of mentality which these Christians have.
Originally posted by Rajk999The doctrine of the eternal soul is not in the Bible and this is the doctrine that eternal torment is based on.
Here is one doctrine on which we agree. Satan, Devil, False Prophet and the Beast plus all those who are called devils angels are tormented. Several evil kings and leaders are some of these devils angels.
Many will be cast into the lake of fire but most will die and be destroyed permanently. The doctrine of the eternal soul is not in the Bible and this ...[text shortened]... or not knowing of Christ. This alone shows me the kind of mentality which these Christians have.
This is right, also the phrase "forever and ever" which is literally "ages unto ages" which means a set period of time.
This is probably the only thing we agree on.
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Originally posted by checkbaiterWell that remains to be seen, I would love to see everyone avoid a devil's Hell. I just don't think that is the case, and since my wants, and desires have nothing to do with changing the outcome, I will share the truth as I see it, not as I want it to be.
You would be right, I cannot tell him no. But as Dive said in different words, it is your understanding of the scriptures that is at fault here.
God is all good and in Him is no darkness....(you know the verse)
Eternal torment is darkness. It is not in His character understanding the whole scope of the scriptures.
I believe Satan will be tormented for ...[text shortened]... e to pay for his crimes and sin, but even he will eventually be reduced to ashes and be no more.
Originally posted by KellyJayI am saying the same thing.
Well that remains to be seen, I would love to see everyone avoid a devil's Hell. I just don't think that is the case, and since my wants, and desires have nothing to do with changing the outcome, I will share the truth as I see it, not as I want it to be.
Originally posted by sonshipIn a hundred years time PUNISHMENT will be such an archaic concept that Christians will have to completely ditch this view.
The [b]"lake of fire" per se, is a hated, much hated concept.
Either we have to argue that Jesus NEVER taught eternal damnation or that the understanding of some of His words cannot amount to the same.
I have listened to many very intelligent people launch their arguments against the Gospel of Christ. Many elegant, extensively reasoned, we ...[text shortened]... aid down His life for us on Calvary. I am not sure. I have contemplated it for decades, decades.[/b]
Any Supreme Being would be way beyond punishing anyone or anything.