Try as hard as you can to not believe God exists.
I think you cannot.
Why blame me about my "god figure" ?

Ahem! You don't seem to understand. I am a real Atheist !

Originally posted by sonship

Try as hard as you can to not believe God exists.
I think you cannot.
Why blame me about my "god figure" ?

Expected pushback -

Ahem! You don't seem to understand. I am a real [b]Atheist !

Okay. You're an Atheist - but what goes on real deep down there ?
It is kind of an itch that you can never fully scratch away.[/b]

Originally posted by sonship
I am a released debtor whose dept was PAID.
I am not a debtor whose dept was overlooked and not paid up.
I am a forgiven person because judgment upon me was executed on the God ordained Substitute - Christ at Calvary.

I did not get away (in a sense).
In Christ I was judged.

Originally posted by sonship
Why blame me about my "god figure" ?

Originally posted by sonship
The [b]"lake of fire" per se, is a hated, much hated concept.
Either we have to argue that Jesus NEVER taught eternal damnation or that the understanding of some of His words cannot amount to the same.

I have listened to many very intelligent people launch their arguments against the Gospel of Christ. Many elegant, extensively reasoned, we ...[text shortened]... aid down His life for us on Calvary. I am not sure. I have contemplated it for decades, decades.[/b]

Originally posted by FMF
It's the sheer convolution of your ideology that is under scrutiny, not a supernatural being.

Originally posted by sonship

Originally posted by FMF
What you are describing is - exactly and explicitly - 'getting away with it '. You have even declared your future "sins" already "forgiven".

Originally posted by dj2becker
Do you think it is unfair for God to forgive someone's sins if they repent and ask for forgiveness?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Do you think it is unfair for God to forgive someone's sins if they repent and ask for forgiveness?

djbecker, you were right on somewhere where you said without God man has no hope.

Without God man has no hope - hopeless.

Originally posted by FMF
[b]FMF,

You are not able to poke a major hole in the Gospel of God.
You do not intimidate me because you can locate something you think is not 1000% logically consistent like a flow chart with a incorrect branch here or a mishaped decision box there.

You can whittle, dice, slice, scrutinize, cut, knick and splice away at for another 10 or 20 years. The ...[text shortened]... their most tragic and ludicrous when they try to aim their portentous threats at non-believers.

Christians are at their most tragic and ludicrous when they try to aim their portentous threats at non-believers.

Originally posted by KellyJay
We bring evil with us and unlike the next life this one is temporary, and we see what evil does here. The next life isn't temporary it's never going to see evil as this one has. So those that choose evil will be cast into the lake of fire. There will be no excuse that day!

Christians are at their most tragic and ludicrous when they try to aim their portentous threats at non-believers.

“Infidels of eighteen hundred years have been refuting and overthrowing this book, and yet it stands today as solid rock. Its circulation increases, and it is more loved and cherished and read today than ever before. Infidels, with all their assaults, make about as much impression on this book as a man with a tack hammer would on the Pyramids of Egypt.

“When the French monarch proposed the persecution of Christians in his dominion, an old statesman and warrior said to him, ‘Sire, the church of God is an anvil that has worn out many hammers.’ So the hammers of infidels have been pecking away at this book for ages, but the hammers are worn out, and the anvil still endures. If this book had not been the book of God, men would have destroyed it long ago. Emperors and popes, kings and priests, princes and rulers have all tried their hand at it; they die and the book still lives.”

“No other book has been so chopped, knived, sifted, scrutinized, and vilified. What book on philosophy or religion or psychology or belles lettres of classical or modern times has been subject to such a mass attack as the Bible? With such venom and skepticism? With such thoroughness and erudition? Upon every chapter, line and tenet? The Bible is still loved by millions, and studied by millions.

Originally posted by sonship
The only "threat" implied in that last post of mine to you was of futility.
In YOUR head you imagined some threat.