Originally posted by no1marauderYou are correct, he was wrong. Auburn isn't ranked number 2, Auburn is number 1.
WRONG!!!! Boise State stays above Auburn in all three major polls. http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/polls
I would love nothing more than to see two of these three teams play for the MNC:
Boise State, Utah and TCU
The problem is that the computers will not let it happen. Get another team close in the human polls and the computers will jump that team into 2nd place at the very least. It's fixed. Do you think that the BCS will allow all that money to go to some place other than BCS schools? Perhaps one non-BCS school will get the big money, but the BCS cronies will not allow two non-BCS schools to split the big bucks.
Originally posted by EladarYes he was wrong since he said:
You are correct, he was wrong. Auburn isn't ranked number 2, Auburn is number 1.
I would love nothing more than to see two of these three teams play for the MNC:
Boise State, Utah and TCU
The problem is that the computers will not let it happen. Get another team close in the human polls and the computers will jump that team into 2nd place at the ...[text shortened]... the big money, but the BCS cronies will not allow two non-BCS schools to split the big bucks.
QQ: I would expect the LSU - Auburn winner to pass Boise in human polls
It would probably be the best thing for college football if we got a TCU-Boise State matchup in the BCS Championship game. The big conferences would howl and push for a playoff system pronto.
Even one non-BCS team going to the title game would be a big step forward and would provide an impetus for a playoff system.
I thought the BCS poll was considered a major poll. I didn't see the word 'human' poll posted anywhere.
I don't know how the human polls would go if Auburn runs the table. If you lose early in the season human polls have a tendancy to forget about the loss. Of course there are humans who only look at records and base their rankings on how many loses you've avoided, not the quality of the teams you've defeated.
Of course how well your teams has played in years past also factors into things. Boise State's BCS bowl victories in years past will give this year's team extra votes. Funny how that works. How your school did in years past determines how good your team is this year. Pretty stupid of you stop to think about it, but it is true all the same.
Originally posted by no1marauderI guess the computers recognize the disparity of the strength of schedule enough to make up for Boise being wrongfully ahead in the human polls. The trend should only continue as #5 Michigan State plays #18 Iowa and #6 Missouri plays #14 Nebraska while teams like Boise play 3-4 Lousiana Tech
Yes he was wrong since he said:
QQ: I would expect the LSU - Auburn winner to pass Boise in [b]human polls
It would probably be the best thing for college football if we got a TCU-Boise State matchup in the BCS Championship game. The big conferences would howl and push for a playoff system pronto.
Even ...[text shortened]... to the title game would be a big step forward and would provide an impetus for a playoff system.[/b]
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Originally posted by quackquackMichigan State's schedule included wins over Western Michigan, Florida Atlantic and Northern Colorado. Looking at the Sagarin ratings, http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt10.htm it's quite possible by the end of the season Boise State will have a tougher rated schedule than the Spartans. The schedule and the opposing team's Sagarin position is as follows:
I guess the computers recognize the disparity of the strength of schedule enough to make up for Boise being wrongfully ahead in the human polls. The trend should only continue as #5 Michigan State plays #18 Iowa and #6 Missouri plays #14 Nebraska while teams like Boise play 3-4 Lousiana Tech
Iowa - #17
Minnesota - #128
Purdue - #82
Penn State - #54
Average Opponent Sagarin Position - #70
Boise State's is as follows:
Louisiana Tech - #81
Hawaii - #30
Idaho - #79
Fresno St. - #63
Nevada - #25
Utah State - #107
Average Opponents Sagarin Position - #64
So Boise State has a tougher schedule from now on out than Michigan State. Since right now Michigan St.'s schedule is the 65th toughest and Boise St's the 69th, it is very possible the Broncos will wind up with a tougher rated schedule.
Chew on that, QQ.
Originally posted by no1marauderFirst, your thoughts that Boise might end up with a tougher schedule than the #5 team in the nation certainly does not make them deserving of playing for a National Championship. It just means that they have chance to be a top 5 team.
Michigan State's schedule included wins over Western Michigan, Florida Atlantic and Northern Colorado. Looking at the Sagarin ratings, http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt10.htm it's quite possible by the end of the season Boise State will have a tougher rated schedule than the Spartans. The schedule and the opposing team's Sagarin position is as f ...[text shortened]... he Broncos will wind up with a tougher rated schedule.
Chew on that, QQ.
Second, instead, of you looking at the most biased poll you can find lets look at the BCS. Michigan State is in the tougher conference and they play two teams that are higher ranked than anyone Boise plays. Michigan State beat the #10 ranked team in the BCS and plays the #18 team in the BCS. Boise beat the #23 team and they play Nevada the #24 team. MSU's schedule is hurt a lot by not playing Ohio State but their schedule is just tougher.
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Originally posted by quackquack'Cuz you say so apparently. The computer polls which you were praising as taking into account the toughness of schedule (Sagarin is one of the 6 used by the BCS) say differently.
First, your thoughts that Boise might end up with a tougher schedule than the #5 team in the nation certainly does not make them deserving of playing for a National Championship. It just means that they have chance to be a top 5 team.
Second, instead, of you looking at the most biased poll you can find lets look at the BCS. Michigan State is in the to ...[text shortened]... am. MSU's schedule is hurt a lot by not playing Ohio State but their schedule is just tougher.
EDIT: I checked the other 5 computer polls that are included in the BCS ratings: Anderson & Hester, Billingsley, Colley, Massey and Wolfe and only Sagarin, A & H and Massey have schedule strength that I can find online. Here's how MSU and BSU match up:
Sagarin: MSU #65 BSU #69
A & H : MSU #45 BSU #67
Massey: MSU #63 BSU #51
Average: MSU #58 BSU #62
Not much of a difference with Boise State having the tougher schedule remaining.
Originally posted by quackquackI picked the best known one which does say that Michigan State has, so far, played a slightly tougher schedule. If I was cherry picking, I would have just used Massey which says Boise State has played a tougher schedule than Michigan State so far.
Unlike yourself I did not pick the one of the six that agreed with me. I used the compilation of everything it indicated that MSU plays a tougher schedule than Boise.
Originally posted by no1marauderMSU is ranked second or third in the nation in 5 of the BCS computer polls. Boise is ranked 5th, 7th, 7th, 7th and 11th. In the sixth poll Boise is 4th and MSU is 8th. Poll by poll the computer do not believe that Boise is playing for a national championship.
I picked the best known one which does say that Michigan State has, so far, played a slightly tougher schedule. If I was cherry picking, I would have just used Massey which says Boise State has played a tougher schedule than Michigan State so far.
Originally posted by quackquackI realize it's pointless to argue logically with you, but since the computers rank Michigan State's schedule only very marginally tougher that cannot be why it is rated that much higher than Boise State in their polls. The reason seems more mundane; MSU had played two more games and that is a factor in their formulas. Of course, that will not be true at the end of the season so it's very possible an unbeaten Boise State would be ahead of Michigan State in both the human and computer polls.
MSU is ranked second or third in the nation in 5 of the BCS computer polls. Boise is ranked 5th, 7th, 7th, 7th and 11th. In the sixth poll Boise is 4th and MSU is 8th. Poll by poll the computer do not believe that Boise is playing for a national championship.
Of course, the BCS mucks up the use of computer polls too insisting on using only those which ignore margin of victory as Sagarin points out in the link I gave. He gives two separate ratings and considers the one taking into account margin of victory as more reliable in assessing teams for betting purposes (in the one he considers better, the Broncos are ahead of MSU). This is common sense but not politically correct. So the computer polls the BCS uses cannot take into account that MSU got taken into overtime by a so-so Notre Dame team and only beat Florida Atlantic (one of the worst teams in Division A) by 13 points. Humans can and do, however, which is another reason why Boise is rated ahead of the Spartans.
Originally posted by no1marauderOr you could can come with the real reason Boise wins their games by so much -- they simply play inadequate competition. Right now the computer have Boise tied for 6th.
I realize it's pointless to argue logically with you, but since the computers rank Michigan State's schedule only very marginally tougher that cannot be why it is rated that much higher than Boise State in their polls. The reason seems more mundane; MSU had played two more games and that is a factor in their formulas. Of course, that will not be true at ...[text shortened]... Humans can and do, however, which is another reason why Boise is rated ahead of the Spartans.
Originally posted by quackquackLike I said it's pointless; the computers, but not you, rate Boise State's competition only marginally lower than Michigan State's (and tougher the rest of the way). But that doesn't stop you from blathering on and on and on about the Broncos' supposed "weak" schedule and the Spartan's "tough" one.
Or you could can come with the real reason Boise wins their games by so much -- they simply play inadequate competition. Right now the computer have Boise tied for 6th.
Originally posted by no1marauderLets not worry about whether it is or isn't a marginal difference. The simple fact is the computers rank MSU 4th in the nation and Boise tied for 6th.
Like I said it's pointless; the computers, but not you, rate Boise State's competition only marginally lower than Michigan State's (and tougher the rest of the way). But that doesn't stop you from blathering on and on and on about the Broncos' supposed "weak" schedule and the Spartan's "tough" one.