Originally posted by whodeyThat's probably true if Oregon wins out and the winner of Auburn-Alabama has no more losses before or after that game (in the SEC Championship). I wouldn't count on that happening.
From what I have heard, the winner of the Alabama/Auburn match up at the end of the year will go to the NCG. That will leave Oregon to face them and the rest can eat cake!!
It's interesting that TCU has moved ahead of Boise State in the BCS.
In college football we give lip service to strength of schedule but I think it is pretty clear that all that people seem to care about is win loss record.
Right now the top 5 teams in the BCS are all undefeated. The next ten teams are one loss teams in major conference, then a two loss team ahead of the final one loss team. The rest of the top 25 teams are two loss teams interrupted by a non-AQ one loss team.
Originally posted by quackquackYes, for some strange reason winning your games helps your rating while losing hurts it. Weird.
In college football we give lip service to strength of schedule but I think it is pretty clear that all that people seem to care about is win loss record.
Right now the top 5 teams in the BCS are all undefeated. The next ten teams are one loss teams in major conference, then a two loss team ahead of the final one loss team. The rest of the top 25 teams are two loss teams interrupted by a non-AQ one loss team.
Of course, you ridiculed Oregon State as a 3 loss team when Sagarin has them playing the toughest schedule in the country so you're guilty of what you seem to be criticizing others for doing.
Originally posted by no1marauderIt is more than just winning helps and losing hurts. Its the fact that after a while people just look and say you can't rank a team with one loss ahead of a team with no losses. It makes no sense to me that a team like Alabama who played four teams that were ranked at the time they played and has three more on their regular season schedule would be expected to win all of those games to maintain a top ranking. Simply their is insufficient reward to encourage teams to be in good conference or to play tough out of conference games.
Yes, for some strange reason winning your games helps your rating while losing hurts it. Weird.
Of course, you ridiculed Oregon State as a 3 loss team when Sagarin has them playing the toughest schedule in the country so you're guilty of what you seem to be criticizing others for doing.
It also works on the flip side. The team I root for (Michigan) certainly stinks but won the first five games. It is apparant now, when they play week in week out in a tough conference that they are not good. Of course, if they were in a minor conference and played the Louisiana Techs of the world each week instead of a Big 10 schedule they might be ranked like Boise also.
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Originally posted by quackquackThe Big 10 is no longer that strong of a conference and its teams generally play pathetic out of conference opponents. As I have already pointed out, by the end of the year Boise State will have played at least as difficult a schedule as Michigan State.
It is more than just winning helps and losing hurts. Its the fact that after a while people just look and say you can't rank a team with one loss ahead of a team with no losses. It makes no sense to me that a team like Alabama who played four teams that were ranked at the time they played and has three more on their regular season schedule would be expe ...[text shortened]... Techs of the world each week instead of a Big 10 schedule they might be ranked like Boise also.
EDIT: In this week's Sagarin ratings, Louisiana Tech is rated higher than 3 Big Ten teams (Purdue, Indiana and Minnesota.
EDIT2: I already proposed a system which would reward playing in the BCS conferences and encourage strong out of conference scheduling, but you are so terrified of giving deserving mid-majors or independents a shot in the National Quarter Finals that you bitterly oppose it.
Originally posted by no1marauderThe Big 10 has 4 teams in the top 16 -- it certainly is a top conference. The Big 10 out of conference is no worse than most of the other conferences.
The Big 10 is no longer that strong of a conference and its teams generally play pathetic out of conference opponents. As I have already pointed out, by the end of the year Boise State will have played at least as difficult a schedule as Michigan State.
EDIT: In this week's Sagarin ratings, Louisiana Tech is rated higher than 3 Big Ten teams (Purdue, Indiana and Minnesota).
I think you'd agree that the sport would be better if AQs played better out of conference games. But is there any reason to play a tough out of conference schedule when, by this point in the season, the BCS is rated strickly by win-loss?
Originally posted by quackquackBe serious; with the possible exception of Ohio State's win over Miami (FL) the Big Ten doesn't have a single quality non-conference win meaning Boise State has more QNCWs than the entire conference COMBINED.
The Big 10 has 4 teams in the top 16 -- it certainly is a top conference. The Big 10 out of conference is no worse than most of the other conferences.
I think you'd agree that the sport would be better if AQs played better out of conference games. But is there any reason to play a tough out of conference schedule when, by this point in the season, the BCS is rated strickly by win-loss?
Wisconsin is very likely to win the Big Ten and they struggled to beat San Jose State, 27-14. Boise beat SJU 48-0, Utah beat them 56-3 and even Nevada won bigger 35-13.
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Originally posted by no1marauderIts ridiculous how you pick on the big 10. The Big 10 isn't the SEC but they have four top 16 teams while the big east has none in the top 25 and the ACC has none in the top 20. The out of conference arguemnet is meaningless because all major conferences simply don't play tough out of conference games. I think teams should be rewarded for good wins but as I showed earlier people just slot teams base on the number of losses.
Be serious; with the possible exception of Ohio State's win over Miami (FL) the Big Ten doesn't have a single quality non-conference win meaning Boise State has more QNCWs than the entire conference COMBINED.
Wisconsin is very likely to win the Big Ten and they struggled to beat San Jose State, 27-14. Boise beat SJU 48-0, Utah beat them 56-3 and even Nevada won bigger 35-13.
Wisconsin record isn't any different than Ohio State or Michigan State and Iowa also has only one big 10 loss so the conference is completely up for grabs.
Why are you so proud of the fact that Boise beat Virginia Tech when the next week Virginia Tech lost at home to James Madison?
Originally posted by quackquackThat was a let down game for them and they got careless, but they've won every game since and are now at #22 in the BCS (they were rated #10 when Boise State beat them in basically a home game for VT).
Its ridiculous how you pick on the big 10. The Big 10 isn't the SEC but they have four top 16 teams while the big east has none in the top 25 and the ACC has none in the top 20. The out of conference arguemnet is meaningless because all major conferences simply don't play tough out of conference games. I think teams should be rewarded for good wins b ...[text shortened]... that Boise beat Virginia Tech when the next week Virginia Tech lost at home to James Madison?
That's a better win than any Big Ten team has. Plus Oregon State handed Arizona its only loss while the Wildcats beat Iowa. And Boise beat OSU.
Originally posted by no1marauderI agree that the Big 10 does not have signature out of conference wins. (The Big 10 wins like Conneticut, Notre Dame twice, Iowa State, Miami, Arizona State, Vanderbilt did not turn out as impressive as one might have thought before the season started) But when you compare schedules the inquiry does not end there as the majority of games are played in conference. The top big 10 teams simply spend wight weeks playig much harder games that Boise does for those two months and when you look at the whole schedule Boise just does not match up..
That was a let down game for them and they got careless, but they've won every game since and are now at #22 in the BCS (they were rated #10 when Boise State beat them in basically a home game for VT).
That's a better win than any Big Ten team has. Plus Oregon State handed Arizona its only loss while the Wildcats beat Iowa. And Boise beat OSU.
Originally posted by quackquackYou can keep saying that over and over and over again if you wish, but that doesn't make it true. I suspect by the end of the season, Sagarin will rate Boise State's overall schedule tougher than most of the Big Ten contenders.
I agree that the Big 10 does not have signature out of conference wins. (The Big 10 wins like Conneticut, Notre Dame twice, Iowa State, Miami, Arizona State, Vanderbilt did not turn out as impressive as one might have thought before the season started) But when you compare schedules the inquiry does not end there as the majority of games are played in ...[text shortened]... does for those two months and when you look at the whole schedule Boise just does not match up..
Originally posted by no1marauderI would love nothing more than to have my Buckeyes, who beat Oregan last year in the Rose Bowl, to take on Boise State!! ðŸ˜
[b]The Big 10 is no longer that strong of a conference and its teams generally play pathetic out of conference opponents. As I have already pointed out, by the end of the year Boise State will have played at least as difficult a schedule as Michigan State.
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Originally posted by no1marauderPerhaps in your world boise plays in conference that has more than 4 top 16 teams. But then again in your world it makes sense to no longer be a fan of a baseball team because they built a new stadium across the street. The reality is that major conferences pay tough games week in week out and small conference spend two months playing the same weak teams and ten months crying that if they played other teams they would win.
You can keep saying that over and over and over again if you wish, but that doesn't make it true. I suspect by the end of the season, Sagarin will rate Boise State's overall schedule tougher than most of the Big Ten contenders.
If you want to compare a middle of the road WAC team to a middle of the road Big 10 team compare Lousiana Tech to Illinois or Northwestern. But to promote your dishonest agenda you compare them to the bottom three Big 10 team.