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@capacrapa saidPuhleeez..........
She's scared of the American way that built the best country in the world so ya she's scared.
@kellyjay saidIt took awhile but eventually the government passed laws and regulations regarding the fertilizer McVeigh used in his bombs:
You recall Timothy McVeigh when he killed people he didn't even use a gun.
"Primarily used in fertilizer, when mixed with other substances the chemical becomes highly explosive, the new legislation will require anyone buying more than 25 pounds to register, be screened against a known terrorist list, and require any thefts to be reported within 24 hours.
This new legislation expands upon a chemical anti-terrorism bill already in effect, but it's the first law to target ammonium nitrate sales specifically."
https://www.businessinsider.com/oklahoma-city-bombing-ammonium-nitrate-sales-regulated-2011-8
So a government response limiting access to the weapons Ramos used would be consistent with prior policy.
@jimm619 saidYes, and I forget the woman's name who used a bathtub to drown her kids, if
Oh yeah, that's right,
McVeigh didn't use a gun.
Neither did Manson.....
Salvador Ramos had a gun though, didn't he?
murder is in the heart; they could do what the Boston bombers did; it is the heart
of man, that is the trouble, and laws don't stop those. Laws keep the law-bidding
doing what the laws want, locks keep people from opening doors, but laws and
locks get defeated by people who don't care about laws and locks.
@kellyjay saidAre you seriously claiming that penal laws have no deterrent effect?
Yes, and I forget the woman's name who used a bathtub to drown her kids, if
murder is in the heart; they could do what the Boston bombers did; it is the heart
of man, that is the trouble, and laws don't stop those. Laws keep the law-bidding
doing what the laws want, locks keep people from opening doors, but laws and
locks get defeated by people who don't care about laws and locks.
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@jimm619 saidRamos had MULTIPLE guns. Expensive guns. Expensive ammo. 1600 rounds of it. About $3000 worth of just guns. Also a pistol with ammo.
Oh yeah, that's right,
McVeigh didn't use a gun.
Neither did Manson.....
Salvador Ramos had a gun though, didn't he?
I work full time and bring in a fairly good income, but I could not afford his arsenal. Wonder what he did for a living that allowed him to buy all that...Maybe somebody ought to give that a little thought...
@liljo saidYou could buy that arsenal if you really wanted it. Remember a gun is an item of value that can be resold. It’s not simply money disappearing.
Ramos had MULTIPLE guns. Expensive guns. Expensive ammo. 1600 rounds of it. About $3000 worth of just guns. Also a pistol with ammo.
I work full time and bring in a fairly good income, but I could not afford his arsenal. Wonder what he did for a living that allowed him to buy all that...Maybe somebody ought to give that a little thought...
@no1marauder saidNot to those that hold the law in contempt; law-bidding people don't slatter
Are you seriously claiming that penal laws have no deterrent effect?
others. A locked door would keep an honest man out, someone who wants
in no matter what will find away. So disarming the law bidding to punish the
law breakers only serves up the law bidding into the hands of law breakers.
@kellyjay saidIt’s hard to run a bath for 18 people
Yes, and I forget the woman's name who used a bathtub to drown her kids, if
murder is in the heart; they could do what the Boston bombers did; it is the heart
of man, that is the trouble, and laws don't stop those. Laws keep the law-bidding
doing what the laws want, locks keep people from opening doors, but laws and
locks get defeated by people who don't care about laws and locks.
@kellyjay saidYour posts are too vapidly stupid to "debate".
Not to those that hold the law in contempt; law-bidding people don't slatter
others. A locked door would keep an honest man out, someone who wants
in no matter what will find away. So disarming the law bidding to punish the
law breakers only serves up the law bidding into the hands of law breakers.
@no1marauder saidI was thinking the same about your posts No1, at least sonhouse constructs a reasonable unemotional rational argument.
Your posts are too vapidly stupid to "debate".
@sonhouse saidWhat about anything I have said that excuses the death of children? I'm saying that
@KellyJay
Oh THAT excuses those 18 yo murderers killing children in their classroom. She did it one at a time so what's the big deal, right?
removing a weapon from honest people will not stop those that don't care what
laws are passed from killing others. They will always find a way; therefore, to disarm
the law bidding doesn't do squat for stopping the senseless killing.
@no1marauder saidIf you can justify removing guns from the law-bidding will somehow stop those
Your posts are too vapidly stupid to "debate".
that don't care about the law from breaking the law you could "debate the issue";
otherwise, you should insult me and act like you are above such a discussion.