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  1. SubscriberGhost of a Dukeonline
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    12 Apr '19 15:08
    @kazetnagorra said
    Clearly this Treasury analysis overestimated the immediate impact of the vote (likely intentionally so), although the vote did definitely cause some loss of jobs and economic contraction. One would have been wiser to consider the advice of independent experts instead.
    As you say, the Treasury (likely intentionally) overestimated the immediate impact of the vote. (Which some in this thread have denied).

    Yes, it would have been wise to also consider the advice of independent experts, but it is quite clear that the voting public would have been influenced by the Treasury's deliberate overestimates you have correctly conceded.
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    @shallow-blue said
    Irrelevant. Honest people don't quote the Scum, not even on the one day of the year they don't print libel.
    Deeming evidence irrelevant based on prejudice, coupled with a healthy dose of virtue-signalling.

    The space Remainers have made their own......
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    @biffo-konker said
    I already dealt with the plunging pound in this post which ghost ignored-


    'The pound’s 8-percent fall against the dollar on June 24 was its biggest one-day fall since the era of free-floating exchange rates was introduced in the early 1970s, Reuters data shows. That loss has extended to as much as 13 percent since.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-markets-sterling/sterlings-post-brexit-fall-is-biggest-loss-in-a-hard-currency-idUSKCN0ZN1R0
    Not the point I was making, and you know it.

    I notice you don't mention unemployment.
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    12 Apr '19 15:53
    @rank-outsider said
    Not the point I was making, and you know it.

    I notice you don't mention unemployment.
    Not exactly sure what your point is.
    We all know that UK unemployment is low at the moment. It was a big surprise to most people when the latest figures were announced. It has been decreasing since 2011 so,probably,nothing to do with brexit.
    The Treasury analysis got that part wrong.But almost spot on concerning the forecast for the pound.So what.It was an analysis of what COULD happen.
    Did they mention that brexit would cost billions even before we leave? Did they say that we would have to spend millions on an EU election?
    NO.Because it was an economic analysis based on the best knowledge they had at the time and not looking in to the future with a crystal ball or some other magical device.
    The problem with the silly Sun link is that they took the worst case scenario and used it as a headline to flog a few extra copies.
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    12 Apr '19 16:04
    @biffo-konker said
    Not exactly sure what your point is.
    We all know that UK unemployment is low at the moment. It was a big surprise to most people when the latest figures were announced. It has been decreasing since 2011 so,probably,nothing to do with brexit.
    The Treasury analysis got that part wrong.But almost spot on concerning the forecast for the pound.So what.It was an analysis of ...[text shortened]... link is that they took the worst case scenario and used it as a headline to flog a few extra copies.
    How’s the average wage doing?
    How’s the homeless figures going?
    How’s ambulance response time going?
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    @shavixmir said
    How’s the average wage doing?
    How’s the homeless figures going?
    How’s ambulance response time going?
    How were those things before the referendum?
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    @biffo-konker said
    Not exactly sure what your point is.
    We all know that UK unemployment is low at the moment. It was a big surprise to most people when the latest figures were announced. It has been decreasing since 2011 so,probably,nothing to do with brexit.
    The Treasury analysis got that part wrong.But almost spot on concerning the forecast for the pound.So what.It was an analysis of ...[text shortened]... link is that they took the worst case scenario and used it as a headline to flog a few extra copies.
    You are wrong about the worst case scenario. In some cases, the Sun only quotes the bottom end of the range of predictions, which the Treasury describes as ‘cautious’.

    Even when they give both figures, the Treasury points out that these are not worst case figures and the impact could be even worse.

    You haven’t pointed to anything that the Sun got wrong, and have misrepresented that they presented a worst case scenario.
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    Nigel Farage has a new Brexit party.
    https://thebrexitparty.com/

    Ha ha ha What a donkey. 🙂
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    @biffo-konker said
    Nigel Farage has a new Brexit party.
    https://thebrexitparty.com/

    Ha ha ha What a donkey. 🙂
    An interesting and somewhat naive response from you considering Farage’s political forum, his prior success with the Brexit agenda and the galvanisation of the popular vote this new party will undoubtedly have. Not to mention the disruption in the EU chamber.
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    @velns said
    An interesting and somewhat naive response from you considering Farage’s political forum, his prior success with the Brexit agenda and the galvanisation of the popular vote this new party will undoubtedly have. Not to mention the disruption in the EU chamber.
    He's like a siren, singing quietly into the ear of English national consciousness; 'All will be well, we will be great again, all you have to do is follow me.'
    And people believe him.
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    @shavixmir said
    How’s the average wage doing?
    How’s the homeless figures going?
    How’s ambulance response time going?
    I really don't think ambulance response times can be blamed on Brexit.
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    @deepthought said
    I really don't think ambulance response times can be blamed on Brexit.
    Nor do I, and I'm not sure that anyone here is blaming 'Brexit' for anything, (except perhaps the huge cost of trying to get to it), it's a bit early to do so since it hasn't happened yet, and it will all depend on what kind of 'Brexit' we eventually get. Various 'worse case scenarios' and so on post - referendum have thankfully not come to pass, but we're still sort of sitting on a 'Brexit' egg here, and nobody knows yet what it's going to hatch into. Could be a dove or a crocodile, not that one has anything against crocodiles per se, but you know what I mean.
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    14 Apr '19 08:061 edit
    @ghost-of-a-duke said
    How were those things before the referendum?
    They were bad and have gotten worse.

    This is internal British politics; tories and austerity mixed with post-vote anxiety.
    Any safety checks are EU and by removing them, it will make matters even worse.

    The financial consequences, so far (so post-vote, pre-exit) are estimated between 20 and 40 billion pounds.
    https://www.google.nl/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/dfafc806-762d-11e8-a8c4-408cfba4327c

    Why was the treasury wrong in their pre-vote analysis? From the same FT page:

    The Treasury had wrongly assumed the government would immediately begin the two-year Article 50 divorce process from the EU — which Theresa May eventually triggered in March 2017, rather than in June 2016 — and that the authorities would provide neither fiscal nor monetary stimulus.
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    14 Apr '19 09:431 edit
    @velns said
    An interesting and somewhat naive response from you considering Farage’s political forum, his prior success with the Brexit agenda and the galvanisation of the popular vote this new party will undoubtedly have. Not to mention the disruption in the EU chamber.
    An interesting and somewhat naive response from you considering that you didn't bother to click on the link!
    Here it is again
    https://thebrexitparty.com/
    Try again.
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    14 Apr '19 10:24
    @velns said
    An interesting and somewhat naive response from you considering Farage’s political forum, his prior success with the Brexit agenda and the galvanisation of the popular vote this new party will undoubtedly have. Not to mention the disruption in the EU chamber.
    Your post was 'thumbed up' by 4 people who also did not follow the link.
    Just like the Referendum leave vote - people voted for something that they did not properly look into and understand.
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