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  1. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    07 Feb '15 14:44
    It seems not.

    Was reading 'The Half Has Never Been Told' in the tram when
    a gringo approaches me with that fake smile of theirs and
    asks me if I am a Marxist.

    Dude's clueless. Are all of them ignorant as to what Marxist
    means?

    Inquiring mind needs to know.
  2. Standard member redbadger
    Suzzie says Badger
    07 Feb '15 14:57
    Originally posted by Seitse
    It seems not.

    Was reading 'The Half Has Never Been Told' in the tram when
    a gringo approaches me with that fake smile of theirs and
    asks me if I am a Marxist.

    Dude's clueless. Are all of them ignorant as to what Marxist
    means?

    Inquiring mind needs to know.
    my uncle carl is buried in London but the time he spent in the north of England with me and my dad, we took him out ferreting and taught him true socialism, flat caps and whippets.
  3. 07 Feb '15 15:29
    Originally posted by Seitse
    It seems not.

    Was reading 'The Half Has Never Been Told' in the tram when
    a gringo approaches me with that fake smile of theirs and
    asks me if I am a Marxist.

    Dude's clueless. Are all of them ignorant as to what Marxist
    means?

    Inquiring mind needs to know.
    Man you suck.
    Why aren't you in Mexico with your own people instead of infesting Europe with your presence?
  4. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    07 Feb '15 16:01
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    Man you suck.
    Why aren't you in Mexico with your own people instead of infesting Europe with your presence?
    Hi!
  5. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    07 Feb '15 18:03
    Originally posted by redbadger
    my uncle carl is buried in London but the time he spent in the north of England with me and my dad, we took him out ferreting and taught him true socialism, flat caps and whippets.
    I'm sure Carl, may his soul rest in peace, left this
    world a happy man.
  6. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    09 Feb '15 12:59 / 2 edits
    A gringo is an English-speaking foreigner, especially a North American person, like me.

    A Wetback is a Mexican who has immigrated illegally to the United States by swimming or wading across the Rio Grande--the river that separates the U.S. from Mexico. U.S. Border Patrol began using the word in 1944 to refer to illegal Mexican immigrants who were easily identifiable by their wet clothing.
  7. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    09 Feb '15 14:56 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Inquiring mind needs to know.
    Seitsey always wants to start a fight.

    A (close enough) answer to your question from something open in another tab:
    It conceives of formal political power and economic production as a single unit to be kept working in harmony, like a well-tuned engine, by such experts as the state recognizes as suited to the task. In theory, these men are to be guided by evidence meeting scientific standards — they are to be the sort of disinterested and dispassionate pragmatists that exist mainly within the narrow confines of Ezra Klein’s cranium.

    The problem, as various capital-”F” Fascists and National Socialists and Communist politburos and Vox readers all discovered in their turn, is that even if these dispassionate and disinterested managers existed — and they don’t — bureaucracies do not have the collective cognitive firepower to replace markets, or even to intelligently guide them. From the Soviet five-year plans to Obamacare, all central-planning exercises begin in hubris and end in chaos.

    And when the chaos comes, the natural thing to do — the imperative thing — is: find someone to blame. The planners and schemers are intellectually incapable of dealing seriously with the fact that the project that they have set for themselves — substituting their own judgment for that of the billions of better-informed parties in the market and coming up with superior outcomes — is an impossible one. But once you’ve accepted real limits on what planning can do — on what government can do — then you have at some level essentially surrendered to conservatism.

    And that means that somebody, somewhere, must be a racist.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/398133/brute-force-left-kevin-d-williamson
    heh.
  8. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    09 Feb '15 17:44
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Seitsey always wants to start a fight.

    A (close enough) answer to your question from something open in another tab:
    It conceives of formal political power and economic production as a single unit to be kept working in harmony, like a well-tuned engine, by such experts as the state recognizes as suited to the task. In theory, these men are to be ...[text shortened]...

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/398133/brute-force-left-kevin-d-williamson
    heh.
    Did the central planning the US used to gear up production so as to win WWII "end in chaos"? Could markets have decided how many tanks, ships, airplanes, etc. etc. were optimal to defeat the Nazis and Japanese?
  9. 09 Feb '15 18:53
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    But once you’ve accepted real limits on what planning can do — on what government can do — then you have at some level essentially surrendered to conservatism.
    No, you have surrendered to blindness. Oh, wait, maybe its the same thing.

    Planning has its limits, especially when done by the wrong people for the wrong reasons, but it can also work. I think China's current success is partly due to the fact that their plans are more long term and stable due to a lack of a 5 year election cycle.
  10. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    09 Feb '15 19:59
    Nice copy pasting galore.

    Still, how does reading a book about slavery
    means one is a Marxist.

    Please don't give me diabetes with the replies.
  11. 09 Feb '15 23:00
    Q: What's a Communist?
    A: A person who has nothing and wants to share it with everyone.
  12. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    10 Feb '15 00:32
    Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
    Q: What's a Communist?
    A: A person who has nothing and wants to share it with everyone.
    What nonsense. A communist questions why the owners of the means of production should usurp all of the benefits of our labour, why workers should be impoverished and left on a subsistence income when their labour is the basis for producing all the wealth of capitalism.

    Communists do not want to share other people's wealth, They want to benefit from the wealth they themselves produce.

    We all know what is wrong with totalitarian regimes like those under Lenin, Stalin, Mao and others. They are not what Marx advocated and they are not similar to what socialists have accomplished in Western Europe.

    We are also able to observe the impact of extreme inequality and the destabilised economies produced by Neoliberal ideology in the past forty years. As we saw in the banking collapse of 2008, Capitalism is a system in which people get rich by theft in broad daylight and leave taxpayers to pay for their thieving behaviour. Ireland provides an excellent examole, described by Finton O'Toole as a Ship of Fools.
  13. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    10 Feb '15 00:44
    Originally posted by finnegan
    We are also able to observe the impact of extreme inequality and the destabilised economies produced by Neoliberal ideology in the past forty years.
    Er... that can be seen by everybody, dude, not only communists.
  14. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    10 Feb '15 00:51 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Er... that can be seen by everybody, dude, not only communists.
    Er ... I said "we" can see not "communists" can see.
  15. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    10 Feb '15 07:04
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Er ... I said "we" can see not "communists" can see.
    Ou, I was carried away. Thought you were self identifying as communist.

    Me bad, comrade.