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  1. Zugzwang
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    20 Sep '18 02:20
    Donald Trump has revealed that his ignorance seems similar to his American base's.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/19/donald-trump-urged-spain-to-build-the-wall-across-the-sahara

    "Donald Trump urged Spain to 'build the wall' – across the Sahara
    Spanish foreign minister says US president advised tactic to stem migration across the Med."

    "The US president brushed off the scepticism of Spanish diplomats –
    who pointed out that the Sahara stretched for 3,000 miles – saying:
    “The Sahara border can’t be bigger than our border with Mexico.”

    "A similar plan in the Sahara, however, would be complicated by the fact
    that Spain holds only two small enclaves in north Africa – Ceuta and
    Melilla – and such a wall would have to be built on foreign territory."

    "Borrell, a former president of the European parliament, has previously
    accused Europe of “ostrich politics” over migration and called for perspective
    on the matter. “We’re talking about 20,000 migrants so far this year for a country
    of more than 40 million inhabitants,” he said in July. “That’s not mass migration.”
  2. SubscriberAThousandYoung
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    20 Sep '18 05:50
    Spain's African territories are already heavily fortified.
  3. Standard memberLundos
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    20 Sep '18 08:24
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Donald Trump has revealed that his ignorance seems similar to his American base's.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/19/donald-trump-urged-spain-to-build-the-wall-across-the-sahara

    "Donald Trump urged Spain to 'build the wall' – across the Sahara
    Spanish foreign minister says US president advised tactic to stem migration across the Med. ...[text shortened]... a country
    of more than 40 million inhabitants,” he said in July. “That’s not mass migration.”
    Ah, missed this one.

    It's fun times to watch the stable genius spread his wisdom across the globe.
  4. Standard memberDeepThought
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    20 Sep '18 08:32
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Donald Trump has revealed that his ignorance seems similar to his American base's.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/19/donald-trump-urged-spain-to-build-the-wall-across-the-sahara

    "Donald Trump urged Spain to 'build the wall' – across the Sahara
    Spanish foreign minister says US president advised tactic to stem migration across the Med. ...[text shortened]... a country
    of more than 40 million inhabitants,” he said in July. “That’s not mass migration.”
    I wonder if the Donaldo got the idea from Hadrian.
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    20 Sep '18 08:40
    A human being that is not currently committed in an insane asylum (or having a nurse make sure he doesn't walk into traffic) has said that "Hurricane Florence will be one of the wettest hurricane ever from the standpoint of water"
  6. Zugzwang
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    20 Sep '18 17:45
    Originally posted by @deepthought
    I wonder if the Donaldo got the idea from Hadrian.
    Perhaps Sarah Palin told Donald Trump that, on a clear day, she can see the Great Wall of China from her home!
  7. Behind the scenes
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    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Donald Trump has revealed that his ignorance seems similar to his American base's.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/19/donald-trump-urged-spain-to-build-the-wall-across-the-sahara

    "Donald Trump urged Spain to 'build the wall' – across the Sahara
    Spanish foreign minister says US president advised tactic to stem migration across the Med. ...[text shortened]... a country
    of more than 40 million inhabitants,” he said in July. “That’s not mass migration.”
    "Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man. Anything built by man, can be destroyed by him"

    General George Patton - 1942
  8. Zugzwang
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    20 Sep '18 22:011 edit
    Originally posted by @zahlanzi
    A human being that is not currently committed in an insane asylum (or having a nurse make sure he doesn't walk into traffic)
    has said that "Hurricane Florence will be one of the wettest hurricane ever from the standpoint of water"
    "... one of the wettest hurricane ever from the standpoint of water."

    From its standpoint, how does water know that it's wet?
  9. Zugzwang
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    20 Sep '18 22:10
    Originally posted by @deepthought
    I wonder if the Donaldo got the idea from Hadrian.
    During its brutal (nearly genocidal) conquest of Libya, the Italians built a wall (which was
    shown in the film 'Lion of the Desert' ) in order to prevent the Senussi (Muslim) 'rebels'
    from being supplied from Egypt.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacification_of_Libya

    "The pacification resulted in mass deaths of the indigenous people in Cyrenaica.
    One quarter of Cyrenaica's population of 225,000 people died during the conflict.[3]
    Italy committed major war crimes during the conflict; including the use of chemical weapons,
    episodes of refusing to take prisoners of war and instead executing surrendering combatants,
    and mass executions of civilians.[2] Italian authorities committed a possible ethnic cleansing
    by forcibly expelling 100,000 Bedouin Cyrenaicans, half the population of Cyrenaica,
    from their settlements that were slated to be given to Italian settlers."

    In 2008, Italy formally apologized for its crimes against Libya.

    In its African wars (Libya, and Ethiopia), Italy committed many war crimes that were similar to the Nazis'.
    And Italy routinely used chemical weapons while Germany did not in the Second World War.
  10. Zugzwang
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    20 Sep '18 22:21
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/18/donald-trumps-reliance-on-chinese-restraint-is-risky

    "Donald Trump's reliance on Chinese restraint is risky
    Xi Jinping may grow tired of role as ‘adult in the room’ in dealings with US president"

    "China’s response to Donald Trump’s escalating trade war has been relatively restrained so far.
    But Tuesday’s latest $200bn (£152bn) increase in US tariffs, with the threat of more to come,
    may provoke tougher, asymmetrical retaliation as Xi Jinping, China’s president, comes
    under pressure to stand up to perceived American bullying.

    Mildly criticising Trump’s actions as “incorrect”, China has until now confined itself to
    reciprocal tariff rises – on Tuesday hitting the US back with $60bn of new tariffs..."

    "Trump is relying on Chinese restraint in a wide range of problem areas as he focuses
    obsessively on his trade vendetta. It cannot be assumed Xi will be content indefinitely to
    play the role of “adult in the room”. His patience could snap."

    Does China's 'restraint' receive any political credit by American politicians (other than Donald Trump)
    or do the Americans simply construe Chinese restraint as evidence of Chinese weakness?
    Does the US government believe that China's too afraid of the USA to retaliate more?
  11. Behind the scenes
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    20 Sep '18 23:04
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/18/donald-trumps-reliance-on-chinese-restraint-is-risky

    "Donald Trump's reliance on Chinese restraint is risky
    Xi Jinping may grow tired of role as ‘adult in the room’ in dealings with US president"

    "China’s response to Donald Trump’s escalating trade war has been relatively restrained so far.
    But Tue ...[text shortened]... weakness?
    Does the US government believe that China's too afraid of the USA to retaliate more?
    Does China's 'restraint' receive any political credit by American politicians (other than Donald Trump) or do the Americans simply construe Chinese restraint as evidence of Chinese weakness? Does the US government believe that China's too afraid of the USA to retaliate more?



    This American, and I suspect many others, thinks this has less to do with political credit, and more to do with a President using an oversimplified, and childish tactic to attempt to solve a complicated and multifaceted economic situation that he is unhappy with. China is by no means an innocent player, but these tariffs will only serve to have a chilling effect on both economies. Donald Trump is proving to everyone he understands little about the complexities of international trade.
  12. Zugzwang
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    21 Sep '18 01:20
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Does China's 'restraint' receive any political credit by American politicians (other than Donald Trump) or do the Americans simply construe Chinese restraint as evidence of Chinese weakness? Does the US government believe that China's too afraid of the USA to retaliate more?

    This American, and I suspect many others, thinks this has less to do with politic ...[text shortened]... rump is proving to everyone he understands little about the complexities of international trade.
    From China's perspective, if the USA insists on treating China as its eternal enemy and
    keeps being hostile toward China no matter what China does (short of abject surrender),
    then China has little to lose by cultivating closer relations with countries (Russia, Iran, etc.)
    that the USA aims to isolate.
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    21 Sep '18 07:04
    Originally posted by @deepthought
    I wonder if the Donaldo got the idea from Hadrian.
    Does Donald Trump even know what Hadrian's Wall is? Seems unlikely to me.

    On the other hand, he might've taken the idea from Game of Thrones, in which case it is indirectly true.
  14. Standard membershavixmir
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    21 Sep '18 10:43
    Who knows?

    Oh, I know who. trump himself.
    I’m sure he reckons he’s the world’s foremost geographical genius. Best geo-G ever.
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    21 Sep '18 16:10
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Donald Trump has revealed that his ignorance seems similar to his American base's.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/19/donald-trump-urged-spain-to-build-the-wall-across-the-sahara

    "Donald Trump urged Spain to 'build the wall' – across the Sahara
    Spanish foreign minister says US president advised tactic to stem migration across the Med. ...[text shortened]... a country
    of more than 40 million inhabitants,” he said in July. “That’s not mass migration.”
    just curious...how long is Spain's border with the Sahara? axin for a friend
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