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    30 Aug '18 21:333 edits
    https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a22877209/joe-biden-eulogy-john-mccain-memorial-full-transcript/

    Joe Biden was asked to give a speech at the funeral at John McCain's funeral. Here is a taste.

    With John, it was a value set that was neither selfish nor self-serving. John understood that America was first and foremost, an idea. Audacious and risky, organized around not tribe but ideals. Think of how he approached every issue. The ideals that Americans rallied around for 200 years, the ideals of the world has prepared you. Sounds corny. We hold these truths self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain rights. To John, those words had meaning, as they have for every great patriot who's ever served this country. We both loved the Senate. The proudest years of my life were being a United States Senator. I was honored to be Vice President, but a United States Senator. We both lamented, watching it change. During the long debates in the '80s and '90s, I would go sit next to John, next to his seat or he would come on the Democratic side and sit next to me. I'm not joking. We'd sit there and talk to each other. I came out to see John, we were reminiscing around it. It was '96, about to go to the caucus. We both went into our caucus and coincidentally, we were approached by our caucus leaders with the same thing. Foe, it doesn't look good, you sitting next to John all the time. I swear to God. same thing was said to John in your caucus.

    That's when things began to change for the worse in America in the Senate. That's when it changed. What happened was, at those times, it was always appropriate to challenge another Senator's judgment, but never appropriate to challenge their motive. When you challenge their motive, it's impossible to get to go. If I say you are going this because you are being paid off or you are doing it because you are not a good Christian or this, that, or the other thing, it's impossible to reach consensus. Think about in your personal lives. All we do today is attack the oppositions of both parties, their motives, not the substance of their argument. This is the mid-'90s. it began to go downhill from there. The last day John was on the Senate floor, what was he fighting to do? He was fighting to restore what you call regular order, just start to treat one another again, like we used to.


    So Joe says that we must engage in debate instead of character assassination and tribalism. Interesting, especially in light of speeches like this.

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    How is it that Biden called Mitt Romney a racist who was going to throw the black audience "back into chains"? How is any dialogue even useful to such a person? Is this not tribalism that politicians like Joe Biden is railing against in this hypocritical speech?

    And what of McCain himself? Was it not John McCain that called of all Trump's supporters "crazies"?

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/16/mccain-calls-arizonans-crazies-fired-up-by-trump/

    McCain was referring to the element within the GOP that wanted things like a border wall and repeal Obamacare, a wall he promised his supporters to build in 2010 but lied and a healthcare policy he swore to repeal but lied. In fact, McCain did everything he could to purge conservatives within the GOP, so isn't this the sort of tribalism that Joe Biden was speaking of? Of course it is.

    Then, to add insult to injury, McCain's dying wish was to disallow Trump from attending his funeral along with Sarah Palin. More tribalism you say? Indeed it is.

    I'll give McCain's supporters a clue, if you think that those in your party are "crazy" for wanting to build a border wall or repeal Obamacare, then say so instead of lying about it, all in an order to subvert the democratic process.

    In fact, ever since Trump became President the DNC and the media, (referring to them as separate is redundant I know), have been trying to convince us that the entire GOP are a bunch of racist neo-Nazis, so why on earth would you want to have dialogue or debate with any of them?

    Of course, this racist tribalism BS was laid down long before Trump, wasn't it? And it really matters precious little as to who runs against the leader of the DNC, they will be treated the same.
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    30 Aug '18 21:58
    Originally posted by @whodey
    https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a22877209/joe-biden-eulogy-john-mccain-memorial-full-transcript/

    Joe Biden was asked to give a speech at the funeral at John McCain's funeral. Here is a taste.

    With John, it was a value set that was neither selfish nor self-serving. John understood that America was first and foremost, an idea. Audacio ...[text shortened]... ers precious little as to who runs against the leader of the DNC, they will be treated the same.
    In fact, ever since Trump became President the DNC and the media, (referring to them as separate is redundant I know), have been trying to convince us that the entire GOP are a bunch of racist neo-Nazis, so why on earth would you want to have dialogue or debate with any of them?

    Of course, this racist tribalism BS was laid down long before Trump, wasn't it? And it really matters precious little as to who runs against the leader of the DNC, they will be treated the same.




    Whodey - You remind me a lot of little Bart Simpson. You have "issues" 😠
  3. SubscriberTom Wolsey
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    31 Aug '18 00:01
    Originally posted by @mchill
    In fact, ever since Trump became President the DNC and the media, (referring to them as separate is redundant I know), have been trying to convince us that the entire GOP are a bunch of racist neo-Nazis, so why on earth would you want to have dialogue or debate with any of them?

    Of course, this racist tribalism BS was laid down long before Trump, wasn't ...[text shortened]... ted the same.




    Whodey - You remind me a lot of little Bart Simpson. You have "issues" 😠
    Yep. Every single Republican is a neo-Nazi racist. Every single democrat is a kind, compassionate, model citizen.

    And anyone who doesn't believe that is worse than Hitler.
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    31 Aug '18 01:15
    Originally posted by @mchill
    In fact, ever since Trump became President the DNC and the media, (referring to them as separate is redundant I know), have been trying to convince us that the entire GOP are a bunch of racist neo-Nazis, so why on earth would you want to have dialogue or debate with any of them?

    Of course, this racist tribalism BS was laid down long before Trump, wasn't ...[text shortened]... ted the same.




    Whodey - You remind me a lot of little Bart Simpson. You have "issues" 😠
    "Of course, this racist tribalism BS was laid down long before Trump, wasn't it?"

    Yep, go back to LBJ. He was an overt racist that makes Trump seem polite. He was a major league a-hole and a democrat.
  5. SubscriberTom Wolsey
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    31 Aug '18 01:20
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    "Of course, this racist tribalism BS was laid down long before Trump, wasn't it?"

    Yep, go back to LBJ. He was an overt racist that makes Trump seem polite. He was a major league a-hole and a democrat.
    Big league!
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    31 Aug '18 01:212 edits
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    "Of course, this racist tribalism BS was laid down long before Trump, wasn't it?"

    Yep, go back to LBJ. He was an overt racist that makes Trump seem polite. He was a major league a-hole and a democrat.
    It is interesting that none of the GOP that are accused of racism say they are racist, but Dims know better, don't they.

    I suppose Dims would say that if they admitted they were racist, then no one would vote for them in the GOP, but then, aren't all in the GOP racists?

    LAMO!

    But you are correct, the last politicians who were openly racists were democrats.
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