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  1. 19 May '11 03:42
    Now for something completely different.

    Just for fun, lets say there exists a new land out there recently discovered. It is fertile and has natural resources, and is an island about the size of the state of Ohio. You are one of the elite few who have the ability to create a government. What will you do as a founding father and/or...um...mother as the case may be?
  2. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    19 May '11 03:53
    Originally posted by whodey
    Now for something completely different.

    Just for fun, lets say there exists a new land out there recently discovered. It is fertile and has natural resources, and is an island about the size of the state of Ohio. You are one of the elite few who have the ability to create a government. What will you do as a founding father and/or...um...mother as the case may be?
    There are already people there? Or the land is empty and its future people are elsewhere?
  3. 19 May '11 03:55
    Originally posted by FMF
    There are already people there? Or the land is empty and its future people are elsewhere?
    Empty, and recently discovered.
  4. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    19 May '11 04:00 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    Empty, and recently discovered.
    So who are these "Founding Fathers"? What is their claim to the land? You seem to be saying this land already has an "elite". How come?
  5. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    19 May '11 14:31
    Originally posted by whodey
    Now for something completely different.

    Just for fun, lets say there exists a new land out there recently discovered. It is fertile and has natural resources, and is an island about the size of the state of Ohio. You are one of the elite few who have the ability to create a government. What will you do as a founding father and/or...um...mother as the case may be?
    Download a copy of the US Constitution, delete a few anachronisms, enact it and move forward from there.
  6. 19 May '11 14:36
    Originally posted by sh76
    Download a copy of the US Constitution, delete a few anachronisms, enact it and move forward from there.
    No proportional representation?
  7. 19 May '11 15:04
    Originally posted by sh76
    [b, delete a few anachronisms, enact it and move forward from there.[/b]
    Like?
  8. 19 May '11 15:13
    Originally posted by FMF
    So who are these "Founding Fathers"? What is their claim to the land? You seem to be saying this land already has an "elite". How come?
    You are, once again, reading waaay too much into this. It's just a fun thread to see who can come up the best form of government.
  9. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    19 May '11 15:34
    Originally posted by whodey
    Like?
    Electoral college, 3/5 rule, freedom of speech and the states electing Senators, for starters....














    (okay, just seeing if you're paying attention)
  10. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    19 May '11 15:37
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    No proportional representation?
    The Constitution itself doesn't foreclose on the possibility of proportional representation. If does say 2 senators for every state. But as for the house:

    The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

    -snip-

    Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, ...


    You could, for example, have California send its 54 representatives based on a proportional vote in the state. If the green party gets 4% of the vote, for instance, in California, there's nothing unconstitutional about California sending 2 green party members.

    Personally, I like the idea of one House with proportional representation and the other sent by districts.
  11. 19 May '11 15:41 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    The Constitution itself doesn't foreclose on the possibility of proportional representation. If does say 2 senators for every state. But as for the house:

    [quote]The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Ele I like the idea of one House with proportional representation and the other sent by districts.
    I meant: don't you think there should be a constitutional provision mandating proportional representation in the HoR?
  12. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    19 May '11 15:44
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    I meant: don't you think there should be a constitutional provision mandating proportional representation in the HoR?
    Why any representation at all? Surely will have the technological means to achieve direct democracy.
  13. 19 May '11 16:13
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Why any representation at all? Surely will have the technological means to achieve direct democracy.
    Would that be something you would endorse when creating a government?
  14. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    19 May '11 16:15
    Originally posted by whodey
    Would that be something you would endorse when creating a government?
    Yes. Why not?

    Of course, Natural Rights would have to be respected and systems set up to insure that they were.
  15. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    19 May '11 16:19 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Why any representation at all? Surely will have the technological means to achieve direct democracy.
    Most people don't pay enough attention to be qualified to make the decision as to whether a particular construction project should be completed or whether certain authorities should be delegated to an administrative agency, etc.

    You need people who are paid to follow these things full time to be qualifies to make many of these decisions.

    In any case, protecting those natural rights certainly requires an independent court system, which cannot be controlled by the direct democracy.