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  1. Zugzwang
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    10 Aug '18 20:20
    Shreyas Royal, a 9 year old chess prodigy from India, was supposed to
    be deported with his family from the UK on 10 September 2018, but
    they have been given a reprieve.

    https://en.chessbase.com/post/nine-year-old-talent-gets-to-stay-in-the-uk

    "Nine-year-old talent gets to stay in the UK"

    "Govt plan to force an 8 year old chess prodigy to leave the country
    next month because his father earns less than £120,000 a year."
    --Labour MP Rachel Reeves (former British girls' U-14 champion in chess)

    "It is characteristic of this dreadful government that they put money before talent."
    --John Cleese (actor)

    The English Chess Federation has lobbied on behalf of Shreyas Royal.

    Would the UK government prefer that Shreyas Royal become a GM
    representing England or India?
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    10 Aug '18 20:35
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Shreyas Royal, a 9 year old chess prodigy from India, was supposed to
    be deported with his family from the UK on 10 September 2018, but
    they have been given a reprieve.

    https://en.chessbase.com/post/nine-year-old-talent-gets-to-stay-in-the-uk

    "Nine-year-old talent gets to stay in the UK"

    "Govt plan to force an 8 year old chess prodigy to leave ...[text shortened]...

    Would the UK government prefer that Shreyas Royal become a GM
    representing England or India?
    Yes, a story that warms the heart. I was waiting for someone to make a thread about it.

    I'm not going to bash the home office because they have a system in place for visas that they have to follow and the onus is on those who don't meet the requirements to show why they should be allowed to stay. I also appreciated that Shreyas was delighted to be able to stay - Britain is the only country he can remember.

    What I have found completely scandalous for years is that utterly mediocre Europeans can just walk right in with nothing to offer while talented Commonwealth citizens have to go through such a level of bureaucracy. Continentals shouldn't have a God-given right to live in the UK just because they are European.
  3. Behind the scenes
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    11 Aug '18 01:121 edit
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Shreyas Royal, a 9 year old chess prodigy from India, was supposed to
    be deported with his family from the UK on 10 September 2018, but
    they have been given a reprieve.

    https://en.chessbase.com/post/nine-year-old-talent-gets-to-stay-in-the-uk

    "Nine-year-old talent gets to stay in the UK"

    "Govt plan to force an 8 year old chess prodigy to leave ...[text shortened]...

    Would the UK government prefer that Shreyas Royal become a GM
    representing England or India?
    Would the UK government prefer that Shreyas Royal become a GM representing England or India?




    Here's a silly idea: Why don't you ask the U.K. Government this, rather than an online chess site who has no say in this? 😲
  4. SubscriberWajoma
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    11 Aug '18 01:22
    Originally posted by @duchess64

    Would the UK government prefer that Shreyas Royal become a GM
    representing England or India?
    That is not the concern of the UK goobermint. The whole state 'sport/nationalism' dichotomy should be called out and ridiculed at every opportunity.

    I recall a close NZ election where the discussion was about what effect an all-black win/loss would have on the outcome. You've got ratepayers (land tax) in Auckland being hammered so that facilities can be built for the Americas Cup boat race.

    Odd to see D buying into this nationalistic mumbo jumbo.
  5. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    11 Aug '18 11:12
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Shreyas Royal, a 9 year old chess prodigy from India, was supposed to
    be deported with his family from the UK on 10 September 2018, but
    they have been given a reprieve.

    https://en.chessbase.com/post/nine-year-old-talent-gets-to-stay-in-the-uk

    "Nine-year-old talent gets to stay in the UK"

    "Govt plan to force an 8 year old chess prodigy to leave ...[text shortened]...

    Would the UK government prefer that Shreyas Royal become a GM
    representing England or India?
    This is about laws and precedent.

    I'd rather have crappy national chess representation than one potential grand master and a precedent that allows tens of thousands of people to stay in violation of the law and the will of the people in a nation that is already overrun.

    Is this even a serious argument?

    Of course not.
  6. Germany
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    11 Aug '18 12:07
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    This is about laws and precedent.

    I'd rather have crappy national chess representation than one potential grand master and a precedent that allows tens of thousands of people to stay in violation of the law and the will of the people in a nation that is already overrun.

    Is this even a serious argument?

    Of course not.
    In what sense is the U.K. "overrun"?
  7. Zugzwang
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    11 Aug '18 19:061 edit
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    This is about laws and precedent.

    I'd rather have crappy national chess representation than one potential grand master and a precedent that allows tens of thousands of people to stay in violation of the law and the will of the people in a nation that is already overrun.

    Is this even a serious argument?

    Of course not.
    Why does Philokalia object to Shreyas Royal being allowed to stay in the UK?
    Is it because his father's not wealthy enough? The family's not living off the dole.
    Or is it really because the family's not white?

    Why should the Republic of Korea allow Philokalia, an extremely racist white American, to stay there?
  8. Subscribermoonbus
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    12 Aug '18 08:451 edit
    Originally posted by @ashiitaka
    What I have found completely scandalous for years is that utterly mediocre Europeans can just walk right in with nothing to offer while talented Commonwealth citizens have to go through such a level of bureaucracy. Continentals shouldn't have a God-given right to live in the UK just because they are European.
    It wasn't a God-given right, it was a treaty agreement. Brexit will change that.
  9. Zugzwang
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    12 Aug '18 20:22
    Originally posted by @wajoma
    That is not the concern of the UK goobermint. The whole state 'sport/nationalism' dichotomy should be called out and ridiculed at every opportunity.

    I recall a close NZ election where the discussion was about what effect an all-black win/loss would have on the outcome. You've got ratepayers (land tax) in Auckland being hammered so that facilities can b ...[text shortened]... uilt for the Americas Cup boat race.

    Odd to see D buying into this nationalistic mumbo jumbo.
    I could not care less whether Shreyas Royal represents England or India in chess.
    Given that India already has had a world champion (Anand), it's clearly possible for
    another world champion to develop in India.
  10. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    13 Aug '18 00:20
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    In what sense is the U.K. "overrun"?
    The proportion of the population who are foreign-born has almost doubled in the past two decades to 11 per cent, or 6.7million people.


    This doesn't count the children of refugees.

    Britain is increasingly not native British in a time of economic hardship.

    While this is not all refugees, this is certainly some refugees:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

    I thought you woul dbe familiar with the lines of debate and disinterested in asking me to go through the motions of presentign them.

    You can just advance the debate another step forward by attackign it right off.

    I am a busy guy and do not even get to post here daily so it would help us out if you could just do that, kazet.
  11. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    13 Aug '18 00:21
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    I could not care less whether Shreyas Royal represents England or India in chess.
    Given that India already has had a world champion (Anand), it's clearly possible for
    another world champion to develop in India.
    So, ultimately, you support the triumph of British law because national prestige from chess isn't actually a real thing for you at all..?

    You were just hoping to troll the right with this?

    lol.
  12. Germany
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    13 Aug '18 14:44
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    The proportion of the population who are foreign-born has almost doubled in the past two decades to 11 per cent, or 6.7million people.


    This doesn't count the children of refugees.

    Britain is increasingly not native British in a time of economic hardship.

    While this is not all refugees, this is certainly some refugees:

    https: ...[text shortened]... and do not even get to post here daily so it would help us out if you could just do that, kazet.
    This is not a refugee:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Nilsen

    Is the U.K. "overrun" with Scots in "a time of economic hardship"?
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    15 Aug '18 17:48
    Originally posted by @moonbus
    It wasn't a God-given right, it was a treaty agreement. Brexit will change that.
    Uhm, yes... it's a figure of speech - not meant to be taken literally.

    John Major imposed his will on Britain with regards to the Maastricht treaty and he bypassed the public. He gloated about his silencing of Eurosceptics. One of those Eurosceptics was William Rees-Mogg, father of Jacob. What a feeling it must have been for Jacob to revel in John Major's wailing about Brexit, nearly 25 years later.
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    15 Aug '18 17:491 edit
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    This is not a refugee:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Nilsen

    Is the U.K. "overrun" with Scots in "a time of economic hardship"?
    How could the UK be overrun by its own people (Scotland is part of the UK)? Perhaps you mean England?
  15. Germany
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    15 Aug '18 17:52
    Originally posted by @ashiitaka
    How could the UK be overrun by its own people (Scotland is part of the UK)? Perhaps you mean England?
    I was mocking Philokalia, not claiming that it is a legitimate viewpoint that Scots (or any other ethnicity) did or could "overrun" the U.K.
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