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  1. 26 Jan '18 19:27
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/25/ny-gov-cuomo-wants-dreamers-to-attend-college-for-free.html

    Is letting Dreamer have free college a good or bad idea?
  2. 26 Jan '18 19:38
    It is a good idea, as long as it is extended to the entire population.
  3. 26 Jan '18 19:44
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    It is a good idea, as long as it is extended to the entire population.
    if everyone has a college education, where does the jobs come from?
  4. Standard member HandyAndy
    Non sum qualis eram
    26 Jan '18 19:49
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    if everyone has a college education, where does the jobs come from?
    English teachers.
  5. 26 Jan '18 19:57
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    if everyone has a college education, where does the jobs come from?
    Investigate any of the societies with taxpayer-funded college and find out.
  6. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    West Coast Represent
    26 Jan '18 20:18
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    if everyone has a college education, where does the jobs come from?
    Engineers have no trouble finding work.
  7. 26 Jan '18 20:22
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    Investigate any of the societies with taxpayer-funded college and find out.
    So you don't know? you just heard free
  8. 26 Jan '18 20:26
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    So you don't know? you just heard free
    I do know, and I was inviting you to start the journey towards obtaining that knowledge for yourself.

    Here in Germany for example, college is taxpayer-funded and unemployment is at 3.6%.
  9. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    26 Jan '18 20:47
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    So you don't know? you just heard free
    Still haven't learned to read, eh?
  10. 26 Jan '18 20:54 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    I do know, and I was inviting you to start the journey towards obtaining that knowledge for yourself.

    Here in Germany for example, college is taxpayer-funded and unemployment is at 3.6%.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/226994/annual-average-unemployment-figures-for-germany/

    Here is an unemployment graph...as you can see unemployment didn't change .

    And it is not all pie in the sky and has never been free.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/04/tuition-fees-germany-higher-education
  11. 26 Jan '18 21:42
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/226994/annual-average-unemployment-figures-for-germany/

    Here is an unemployment graph...as you can see unemployment didn't change .

    And it is not all pie in the sky and has never been free.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/04/tuition-fees-germany-higher-education
    I recommend you refresh your high school maths (if you made it that far), as that might help you interpret histograms.

    A few German states experimented with small tuition fees and abandoned them since they found (unsurprisingly) that it didn't motivate students to graduate faster.
  12. 26 Jan '18 21:55 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    I recommend you refresh your high school maths (if you made it that far), as that might help you interpret histograms.

    A few German states experimented with small tuition fees and abandoned them since they found (unsurprisingly) that it didn't motivate students to graduate faster.
    Well you told me to investigate...I am just reporting back with what I found...

    Some insist that Germany has not seen the last of tuition fees. “Behind closed doors, many education ministers around the country will admit that phasing out tuition fees was a wrong move,” said Dieter Dohmen, director of Germany’s Institute for Education and Socio-Economic Research. With student numbers rising and regional governments failing to increase spending, “universities are groaning under the weight of the costs”, he said.
    Merkel’s government is determined to push through a “debt brake” by 2020, stopping the states from racking up any more structural deficits. “If the government goes through with its plans, then we have a big debate about tuition fees around the corner,” said Dohmen. “My prediction is that we will have reintroduced tuition fees by 2020.”


    seems like it is not working, plans are in the works to stop the program.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/04/tuition-fees-germany-higher-education
  13. 26 Jan '18 22:06
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    seems like it is not working
    No, it doesn't.
  14. 26 Jan '18 22:07 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    It is a good idea, as long as it is extended to the entire population.
    It's not, I think it is kinda like Affirmative action.

    Give free stuff to the poor folk concept, but only based upon race.

    I don't think anyone from , say Norway, would qualify.
  15. 26 Jan '18 22:14
    Originally posted by @whodey
    It's not, I think it is kinda like Affirmative action.

    Give free stuff to the poor folk concept, but only based upon race.

    I don't think anyone from , say Norway, would qualify.
    Try reading the part after the comma.