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Standard memberwhodey
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    04 May '18 10:196 edits
    So let's say I'm the President and I like whores. Just a hypothetical. I'm not really the President and I'm not into whores. This story has no particular relevance mind you.

    Anyhew, so this whore says she is going to talk if I don't pay her, so I pay her a lot of money.

    Isn't that blackmail?

    I will now await the super duper smart lawyer types that run our country who can distinguish between porn and prostitution, cuz porn is artsy and all, so it should be legal while prostitution has no real artistic value, therefore, it should not be legal. In fact, it's just yucky. So the next time any of you want to hire a prostitute just film it and I reckon they can't arrest you.

    Damn they are so smart it almost makes me want to cry.

    In fact, it does.
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    04 May '18 11:05
    Originally posted by @whodey
    So let's say I'm the President and I like whores. Just a hypothetical. I'm not really the President and I'm not into whores. This story has no particular relevance mind you.

    Anyhew, so this whore says she is going to talk if I don't pay her, so I pay her a lot of money.

    Isn't that blackmail?

    I will now await the super duper smart lawyer types tha ...[text shortened]... can't arrest you.

    Damn they are so smart it almost makes me want to cry.

    In fact, it does.
    You obviously don't want a serious answer but I'll give one anyway:

    IF A says to B, "pay me x amount of dollars or I'll go public with the fact we had an affair" it's probably extortion.

    IF A says to magazine C "I'll give you a story about my affair with B" and B hears about it and has his lawyer say to A "B will pay you x amount of dollars IF you sign a nondisclosure agreement about the affair with B" it's not extortion.
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    04 May '18 11:162 edits
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    You obviously don't want a serious answer but I'll give one anyway:

    IF A says to B, "pay me x amount of dollars or I'll go public with the fact we had an affair" it's probably extortion.

    IF A says to magazine C "I'll give you a story about my affair with B" and B hears about it and has his lawyer say to A "B will pay you x amount of dollars IF you sign a nondisclosure agreement about the affair with B" it's not extortion.
    Does it depend on how B "hears" about this story?

    What I mean is: IF A goes to C knowing that C will contact B ( or the story will be leaked through C to B ) is it still "legally" not extortion? I put legally in quotes, because in either case B is being "extorted".
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    04 May '18 11:19
    Originally posted by @whodey
    So let's say I'm the President and I like whores. Just a hypothetical. I'm not really the President and I'm not into whores. This story has no particular relevance mind you.

    Anyhew, so this whore says she is going to talk if I don't pay her, so I pay her a lot of money.

    Isn't that blackmail?

    I will now await the super duper smart lawyer types tha ...[text shortened]... can't arrest you.

    Damn they are so smart it almost makes me want to cry.

    In fact, it does.
    Is there room in your "hypothetical" for a sanctimonious, judgemental S.O.B.?
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    04 May '18 11:26
    Originally posted by @joe-shmo
    Does it depend on how B "hears" about this story?
    Virtually all extortion statutes require that a threat must be made to the person or property of the victim. Threats to harm the victim's friends or relatives may also be included. It is not necessary for a threat to involve physical injury. It may be sufficient to threaten to accuse another person of a crime or to expose a secret that would result in public embarrassment or ridicule. The threat does not have to relate to an unlawful act. Extortion may be carried out by a threat to tell the victim's spouse that the victim is having an illicit sexual affair with another.

    https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/extortion

    The bottom line is that A must threaten B that unless A is paid they will do something that will harm B. That does not seem to be the case here.
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    04 May '18 12:581 edit
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    Virtually all extortion statutes require that a threat must be made to the person or property of the victim. Threats to harm the victim's friends or relatives may also be included. It is not necessary for a threat to involve physical injury. [b]It may be sufficient to threaten to accuse another person of a crime or to expose a secret that would result i ...[text shortened]... nless A is paid they will do something that will harm B. That does not seem to be the case here.
    Don't feel too bad whodey....we all script a dud every now and then. But...you're on real tear lately.
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    04 May '18 14:04
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    Is there room in your "hypothetical" for a sanctimonious, judgemental S.O.B.?
    Fire away.
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    04 May '18 14:381 edit
    I thought extortion was a threat to commit an illegal damaging act (say, arson) unless paid not to, whereas blackmail was a threat to commit a legal damaging act (say, publishing a true tell-all book) unless paid not to. Do I stand corrected?
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    04 May '18 15:021 edit
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    You obviously don't want a serious answer but I'll give one anyway:

    IF A says to B, "pay me x amount of dollars or I'll go public with the fact we had an affair" it's probably extortion.

    IF A says to magazine C "I'll give you a story about my affair with B" and B hears about it and has his lawyer say to A "B will pay you x amount of dollars IF you sign a nondisclosure agreement about the affair with B" it's not extortion.
    That would seem to make sense.

    I'm still wondering what our fine, Christian pure, evangelical community would be saying if A, B or C were President Obama, rather than President Trump. Would they still be scrambling to minimize the political fallout? Would they still be marching Pastor Huckabee in front of the cameras on FOX News to preach forgiveness, and to remind us that our President is still GOD's special little creature?? No, I don't think they would! 😲
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    04 May '18 20:181 edit
    Originally posted by @freakykbh
    Fire away.
    He already did. See the OP. Keep up.
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    04 May '18 20:20
    Originally posted by @js357
    I thought extortion was a threat to commit an illegal damaging act (say, arson) unless paid not to, whereas blackmail was a threat to commit a legal damaging act (say, publishing a true tell-all book) unless paid not to. Do I stand corrected?
    No. They both involve threats, yes.
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    05 May '18 11:04
    Originally posted by @js357
    I thought extortion was a threat to commit an illegal damaging act (say, arson) unless paid not to, whereas blackmail was a threat to commit a legal damaging act (say, publishing a true tell-all book) unless paid not to. Do I stand corrected?
    Legal definitions may vary by jurisdiction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail) but in general, blackmail is consider a subset of extortion:

    In blackmail, which always involves extortion, the extortionist threatens to reveal information about a victim or their family members that is potentially embarrassing, socially damaging, or incriminating unless a demand for money, property, or services is met.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extortion
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    05 May '18 11:47
    Originally posted by @whodey
    ...
    Anyhew, so this whore says she is going to talk if I don't pay her, so I pay her a lot of money.

    Isn't that blackmail?...
    yeah blackmail

    Not sure you should pin this on the whore though. It's the people in power who say shut up and I'll pay you.
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    05 May '18 14:09
    Originally posted by @apathist
    yeah blackmail

    Not sure you should pin this on the whore though. It's the people in power who say shut up and I'll pay you.
    It's collusion!
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