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Originally posted by slimjim
Sig 229 is also a fine pistol. The bottleneck .357 has great stopping power and a little less recoil than a standard .357. I also have a Colt .45 auto that I carry concealed here in Texas.
Concealed weapon in Texas!?!? Oh no....all the liberal weenies from Iowa to Ireland are gonna rip you apart for such brazen practice...why, you might accidentally shoot a rapist, stop a robbery, even use it to save a life.....my goodness! 😲

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Originally posted by Delmer
Is it a .17 Remington 700 series? Never had a .17 but I hear they are flat shooters out to 200-300 yards. Does your buddy carry a .357 Colt Python? I've had a couple over the years and sold them. Beautiful, smooth handling revolvers. I should have kept one. But too big to really carry concealed in a comfortable fashion. I currently have a S&W compact DA .45 ...[text shortened]... r DA SS .22 auto. The Walther is palm size and a beautiful piece of engineering, inside and out.
http://www.gunrush.com/firearm/gun/New-England-SS1-017-Rifles.htm

I have fallen in love with this gun. Dead accurate and like you said.....100, 200 yards...what's the dif. The scope I put on it is about twice as long as the one pictured with the rifle with a huge lenz for sopping up rays. I do a bit of night shooting.


Never been one for pistols myself. That is the old man bag. He is into the cap and ball revolvers, he's got a suitcase full of em. They are a kick to shoot. Don't much care for cleanen em though.

I don't remember what type of pistol my buddy had but I remember you needed both hands just to hold it up. It was like looking down a stove pipe when aiming at the can. LOL. I felt like police woman.


RTh

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Originally posted by XanthosNZ
From what I can find this isn't the case.

http://www.newsbatch.com/gc-intgunsa.html

Canada with 24% compared to America with 85%. Care to give me a source which backs your assertion?
A Gallup poll done in January of this year reported that 40% of US households owned a gun. I am trying to find a similiar poll done in Canada, but have not been able to do so yet. Will get back if I find a reliable figure.

The article you cited apparently simply divided the total number of estimated guns by the total population. I would think that the flaw in this methodolgy would be obvious. My claim was "The percentage of people owning guns in Canada is about the same as the US," not that the total number of guns divided by population was about the same. If I can find a reliable comparable figure of household gun ownership in Canada and the US is much higher I will, of course, retract the claim. I am not certain the specific claim was made in the movie, either.

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Originally posted by slimjim
Sig 229 is also a fine pistol. The bottleneck .357 has great stopping power and a little less recoil than a standard .357. I also have a Colt .45 auto that I carry concealed here in Texas.
I am not familiar with the bottleneck .357. Is it new? Nothing like a .45 for short range stopping power, especially with the expanding hollow point bullets they design today. Is your Colt full-size or compact? Inspector of Clan Caissa is an INS officer and has a Federal CCP (carry anywhere at anytime). He used to carry a Beretta but I think he recently switched to a Sig.

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Originally posted by Delmer
I am not familiar with the bottleneck .357. Is it new? Nothing like a .45 for short range stopping power, especially with the expanding hollow point bullets they design today. Is your Colt full-size or compact? Inspector of Clan Caissa is an INS officer and has a Federal CCP (carry anywhere at anytime). He used to carry a Beretta but I think he recently switched to a Sig.
Sig came out with the 229 about 7 years ago if memory serves correct. It was designed to provide more stopping power than the 9mm and offer more magazine capacity than a .45. My colt is full sized and I use a bianchi hideaway holster. Beretta is a fine pistol. I quit using Smiths when they jumped on the gun control nuts bandwagon on the cities suing gum makers. Thank goodness some judge with common sense throwed that out of court.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
A Gallup poll done in January of this year reported that 40% of US households owned a gun. I am trying to find a similiar poll done in Canada, but have not been able to do so yet. Will get back if I find a reliable figure.

The article you cited apparently simply divided the total number of estimated guns by the total population. I ...[text shortened]... of course, retract the claim. I am not certain the specific claim was made in the movie, either.
I have trouble even believing the 40% statistic if they mean legal, functioning, modern firearms. I live in hunting, fishing, farming country and almost 100% of farm families have a gun or several but one town can have many more people in it than a township of farmers and I know that lots of people in the towns don't own guns. And in cities like NYC, Chicago, Detroit etc. there aren't many legal guns at all in comparisonwith the population. Maybe the Gallup people were including antique and collectors firearms. Maybe they were also estimating illegal guns in households, but I doubt that.

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Originally posted by Delmer
I have trouble even believing the 40% statistic if they mean legal, functioning, modern firearms. I live in hunting, fishing, farming country and almost 100% of farm families have a gun or several but one town can have many more people in it than a township of farmers and I know that lots of people in the towns don't own guns. And in cities like NYC, Chicago ...[text shortened]... lectors firearms. Maybe they were also estimating illegal guns in households, but I doubt that.
Well, they're not estimating anything; they're just asking people "Do you have a gun in your household?" I assume that any gun would do. It seems a little high to me, too, but that's what the poll says.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
Well, they're not estimating anything; they're just asking people "Do you have a gun in your household?" I assume that any gun would do. It seems a little high to me, too, but that's what the poll says.
Well I don't believe in the polls. If someone asked me if I have a handgun in the house I would lie and tell them no.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
A Gallup poll done in January of this year reported that 40% of US households owned a gun. I am trying to find a similiar poll done in Canada, but have not been able to do so yet. Will get back if I find a reliable figure.

I would think that the flaw in this methodolgy would be obvious. My claim was "The percentage of people owning ...[text shortened]... of course, retract the claim. I am not certain the specific claim was made in the movie, either.
The article you cited apparently simply divided the total number of estimated guns by the total population.

I wondered as much myself, no1. Nevertheless, I think it's an interesting bit of data. If you could find an analogous figure to the 40% in America, we might make some startling claims about the saturation of guns within the American gun owning sector compared to the Canadian counterpart.

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Originally posted by slimjim
Sig came out with the 229 about 7 years ago if memory serves correct. It was designed to provide more stopping power than the 9mm and offer more magazine capacity than a .45. My colt is full sized and I use a bianchi hideaway holster. Beretta is a fine pistol. I quit using Smiths when they jumped on the gun control nuts bandwagon on the cities suing gum makers. Thank goodness some judge with common sense throwed that out of court.
I think I already had my S&Ws when they tried to sell us out, and the J series are fine, reliable pocket revolvers. I was never impressed by 9mm. What caliber is the Sig? .40 caliber? Bianchi has been making top quality rigs for a long time. I have Bianchi R & L-hand inside-the-pants holsters for all my handguns. Of course, all the J-series S&W fit the same holster size. About 10 years ago I decided I wanted a custom made FBI rig for the J-series, holster fits in the small of your back with an FBI forward cant. I ordered belt and holster from Mitch Rosen in Vermont, maybe New Hampshire. Took about six months and cost about $400. Big mistake. Very nice leather work etc. but uncomfortable as hell if you sit down. Weapon pushes right into the small of your back. What's more I found out that I could hardly bend my right arm enough to reach the small of my back and unholster the weapon. And the belt is so stiff it's like wearing a leather rim around your waist. You can actually buckle it and roll it across the floor like a hoop. Those FBI and Secret Service guys must be tough dudes!

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Originally posted by Ringtailhunter
http://www.gunrush.com/firearm/gun/New-England-SS1-017-Rifles.htm

I have fallen in love with this gun. Dead accurate and like you said.....100, 200 yards...what's the dif. The scope I put on it is about twice as long as the one pictured with the rifle with a huge lenz for sopping up rays. I do a bit of night shooting.


Never been one for pi ...[text shortened]... like looking down a stove pipe when aiming at the can. LOL. I felt like police woman.


RTh
That's a beautiful varmit rifle, Rth. Thanks for the web page.

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Originally posted by slimjim
Well I don't believe in the polls. If someone asked me if I have a handgun in the house I would lie and tell them no.
There are some wonderful research methods for studying cases of self-censoring so as to protect the subject's anonymity.

For instance, after asking you, "Do you own at least one firearm," the interviewer could have you roll a six-sided die in such a way that the interviewer does not see the outcome. If the die comes up odd, you answer the question truthfully. If it comes up even, you automatically say, "Yes."

The interviewer would then repeat this process for a large enough sample.

When all the results are in an analyst can simply adjust for the probability of the intersection of "Yes" and "the die showed an even number."

Now this process won't weed out pricks who lie regardless of whether they own a gun or not, but with a large enough sample size and the assumption that only a small fraction of the population are ridiculous enough engage in such childish behavior, these aberrations shouldn't matter.

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Wow I just read this post, and im in shock, Making guns illegal would only take it from the honest. Its illegal to shoot somone right? what makes you think that killers will obey a law that says you are not to own a gun? And besides if killers didnt have Guns, they would use bombs, knives etc. anyone can make bombs and guns, I have made gun and bombs for school projects (Homeschooled). I have alot of Guns, in which I hunt with em, Shoot Clay targets, etc. All my friends have guns, (in WY) and its part of an everyday experiance

Ben

PS: did you know that before guns were invented, that one guy killed 1/4 of the earth's population?

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Originally posted by flyUnity
Wow I just read this post, and im in shock, Making guns illegal would only take it from the honest. Its illegal to shoot somone right? what makes you think that killers will obey a law that says you are not to own a gun? And besides if killers didnt have Guns, they would use bombs, knives etc. anyone can make bombs and guns, I have made gun and bombs for sc ...[text shortened]... id you know that before guns were invented, that one guy killed 1/4 of the earth's population?
Cain killing Abel with a rock?

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Originally posted by telerion
There are some wonderful research methods for studying cases of self-censoring so as to protect the subject's anonymity.

For instance, after asking you, "Do you own at least one firearm," the interviewer could have you roll a six-sided die in such a way that the interviewer does not see the outcome. If the die comes up odd, you answer the question ...[text shortened]... on are ridiculous enough engage in such childish behavior, these aberrations shouldn't matter.
You are right. I shouldn't lie. I should tell them none of their damn business that way I can be a real prick about it.

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