Originally posted by ETeachFirstly, a guns principal purpose is to kill - therefore it is unnesscary in society. At least Baseball bats have a purpose.
If everyone were peace loving, non-violent and respectful of others property, I would agree. However since this Utopia existed only for a short time....I believe in protection for myself and family. There are people out there, believe it or not, who will kill you and steal everything you have. Call the police? with a 20 min. response time? No thanks.
It is highly unlikely you or your family will be attacked, but with your mindset it is far more likely that will think you are being invaded and accidently shoot a member of your family who is moving around in your house in the middle of the night.
Finally if there was an intruder and you shot him, you are culpable for manslaughter at the very least and should serve time.
I urge you bin the gun, guns help no one.
Originally posted by invigorateI woudn't say guns help no one...
Firstly, a guns principal purpose is to kill - therefore it is unnesscary in society. At least Baseball bats have a purpose.
It is highly unlikely you or your family will be attacked, but with your mindset it is far more likely that will think you are being invaded and accidently shoot a member of your family who is moving around in your house in the m ...[text shortened]... nslaughter at the very least and should serve time.
I urge you bin the gun, guns help no one.
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Originally posted by invigorateIn Texas you shoot an intruder its justifiable homocide.
Firstly, a guns principal purpose is to kill - therefore it is unnesscary in society. At least Baseball bats have a purpose.
It is highly unlikely you or your family will be attacked, but with your mindset it is far more likely that will think you are being invaded and accidently shoot a member of your family who is moving around in your house in the m ...[text shortened]... nslaughter at the very least and should serve time.
I urge you bin the gun, guns help no one.
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Originally posted by slimjimEven in New York, you can kill someone breaking into your home or other occupied building:
In Texas you shoot an intruder its justifiable homocide.
NY Penal Law 35.20(3): A person in possession or control of, or licensed or privileged to be in, a dwelling or an occupied building, who reasonably believes that another person is committing or attempting to commit a burglary of such dwelling or building, may use deadly physical force upon such other person when he reasonably believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate the commission or attempted commission of such burglary.
Originally posted by no1marauderThere are some other things to think about. Last time I renewed my Michigan concealed carry permit one of the legal stats they gave us for the USA was this: even in an absolutely justifiable shooting the victim pays an average of $20,000 in legal fees to defend himself from civil suits brought by the perp or the perp's family. Perp breaks into your house, wounds you and your wife before you kill him. Legal system considers it an absolutely righteous shoot on your part. But his mother, girlfried, wife, brother, whomever slaps you with a civil suit for $10 million and you can expect to pay $20,000 to defend yourself. You'll win, of course, but the average cost is $20,000 for your legal defense.
Even in New York, you can kill someone breaking into your home.
Originally posted by DelmerI think that's nonsense; such a suit under the facts you gave would be dismissed as soon as a motion was made and would almost certainly be found to be frivolous, in which case the plaintiff and the lawyer filing it would be liable for monetary sanctions in New York.
There are some other things to think about. Last time I renewed my Michigan concealed carry permit one of the legal stats they gave us for the USA was this: even in an absolutely justifiable shooting the victim pays an average of $20,000 in legal fees to defend himself from civil suits brought by the perp or the perp's family. Perp breaks into your house, wo ...[text shortened]... defend yourself. You'll win, of course, but the average cost is $20,000 for your legal defense.
Originally posted by invigorateYou lead a sheltered life, invigorate. I can't remember Winston Churchill saying that in any of his speeches.
Firstly, a guns principal purpose is to kill - therefore it is unnesscary in society. At least Baseball bats have a purpose.
It is highly unlikely you or your family will be attacked, but with your mindset it is far more likely that will think you are being invaded and accidently shoot a member of your family who is moving around in your house in the m ...[text shortened]... nslaughter at the very least and should serve time.
I urge you bin the gun, guns help no one.
Originally posted by no1marauderWell, next time I renew I'll let the instructors know that No.1 thinks they are liars.
I think that's nonsense; such a suit under the facts you gave would be dismissed as soon as a motion was made and would almost certainly be found to be frivolous, in which case the plaintiff and the lawyer filing it would be liable for monetary sanctions in New York.
Originally posted by RagnorakMaybe that's why no immigrants want to live here. But you are right, R, it is brainwashing and you're politicians ought to stop making all of you feel as though only the state has the right to own firearms.
Anybody find it interesting to note that nearly all the pro-gun people are american? Brainwashing anyone?
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Originally posted by no1marauderCrikey: So burglars can be killed without trial. That sounds like a great democracy, freedom and justice.
Even in New York, you can kill someone breaking into your home or other occupied building:
NY Penal Law 35.20(3): A person in possession or control of, or licensed or privileged to be in, a dwelling or an occupied building, who reasonably believes that another person is committing or attempting to commit a burglary of such dwelling or ...[text shortened]... to be necessary to prevent or terminate the commission or attempted commission of such burglary.
I can just imagine some kids kick their soccer ball over the fence, climb over the fence to get their ball and get shot for tresspass.
Originally posted by RagnorakDefinitely. But that is what one gets for not living where one can be free of it. Most places "brain wash" into people the idea that "guns kill" when in the US we are smart enough to know that "people kill" and that there is absolutely no way to keep guns from criminals.
Anybody find it interesting to note that nearly all the pro-gun people are american? Brainwashing anyone?
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What sense does it make to dissallow non-felons the right to do ANYTHING that is legal?
I know that some kids are killed accidently. Those parents who can't or won't keep "weapons" out of the hands of children need to be locked up for about ten years. Weapons include cars, knives, guns, baseball bats and rocks.
The point is, that it is up to the parent to "train" children. Especially about guns. I took my children to the range at the age of 3 and let them have a blast at the target with my 44 mag.
It scared the bejesus out of them so bad that I never needed to worry about them messing with guns. My son came home on the run immediately when a friend got out his dads shotgun.
I let that sob (the father of the friend) know what I thought real quick.
Lack of education kills. Especially 16 year old drivers.
Originally posted by invigorateWhat? You are comparing someone breaking into an occupied house with a child climbing over a fence to retrieve a soccer ball? Nobody in their right mind would shoot a child or adult for simply trespassing in one's yard....ludicrous....Is that typical Euro-thinking when it comes to protecting one's life and property against an intruder who might have murder on the brain?
Crikey: So burglars can be killed without trial. That sounds like a great democracy, freedom and justice.
I can just imagine some kids kick their soccer ball over the fence, climb over the fence to get their ball and get shot for tresspass.
What would you do if you had a wife and cild in your home and someone broke into your house?....give him milk and cookies?
What if he came at you with a knife and you happened to have a gun?....shoot him or hand him the weapon stating that the King has decreed open season on homeowners and invite him to have his way with your family????🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Originally posted by chancremechanicExceptionally unlikely to happen but...
What? You are comparing someone breaking into an occupied house with a child climbing over a fence to retrieve a soccer ball? Nobody in their right mind would shoot a child or adult for simply trespassing in one's yard....ludicrous....Is that typical Euro-thinking when it comes to protecting one's life and property against an intruder who might ha ...[text shortened]... decreed open season on homeowners and invite him to have his way with your family????🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
I would scream very loudly, then say take what you like. Then when he's gone call the police.
If he jumped on my wife, I would jump on him and give him all I've got.
More people get shot in USA than Europe, people in Europe feel more secure in their homes (and wouldn't consider storing a weapon). Therefore take the gun out of society and increase the populations security physically and pyschologically.