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  1. Zugzwang
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    28 Nov '18 19:38
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/28/white-supremacy-degeneracy-far-right-populists

    "White supremacy’ is really about white degeneracy
    Today’s far-right populists relish the idea that they can be morally
    contemptible, yet still prevail"

    "The concept of “white supremacy” is having a moment right now,
    and understandably so. White resentment, entitlement and bigotry
    never went away, but it is closer to the political mainstream now
    than it has been for decades.

    The rhetoric of the likes of Donald Trump, Viktor Orbán, Steve Bannon
    and other figures in the ascendant populist right might not openly
    embrace “white power”, but there is no doubt that open white
    racists have been emboldened by them."

    "Aside from his politics, Trump is simply a man who falls short of any
    moral code you could care to imagine. Politicians are often cynical,
    cruel or corrupt, but a complete absence of human decency is rare."

    "But for millions of Americans to choose Trump and to continue to
    support him cannot simply be dismissed as voters “holding their noses”
    and selecting the individual who could best forward their agenda,
    regardless of his personal qualities. For a significant proportion of
    his supporters, it was a deliberate choice for moral degeneracy, even
    a celebration of it. It is also a reproach to the Obama years and to
    Obama personally. A bad white man will always be better than a
    good black man, regardless of the political platforms they support."

    "What I think we are seeing is something rawer, a lust for power,
    coupled with an unvarnished hatred of non-white others that sees
    little need to disguise itself. This is a white racism that is predicated
    on nothing other than a desire to dominate and subjugate.
    Trump’s brutal expression of his basest urges empowers and licenses
    a similar abandonment, among his followers, of any pretence that
    white dominance is unjustifiable. This is not white supremacy as we
    have understood it. It is a move to demonstrate that whiteness can
    be as morally degenerate as one wishes it to be and still prevail."

    "No, what these people offer their supporters is a guarantee: we will
    make sure that however much your life degenerates, our power as
    degenerate white men should reassure you that there is still hope."

    "If white racism and populism now rests on nothing more than naked
    power and self-assertion, there will be no need to wade through
    the academic verbiage about “bell curves” and black crime rates
    before we can tackle the problem."
  2. Zugzwang
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    28 Nov '18 19:471 edit
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/28/cindy-hyde-smith-mississippi-win-republican-voters-trump

    "Racism has triumphed once again in Mississippi
    Cindy Hyde-Smith won because she’s run-of-the-mill: a white person ignorant of
    the blood in the soil – and for most voters, that’s forgivable"

    "Mississippi, a state that proudly flies the Confederate flag, holds the heinous
    distinction of having lynched more African Americans than any other state through
    the late 19th and early 20th centuries. In just about every way, it is the emblem of
    the deep south – where white supremacy exerted itself with all its bloody might."

    "The Republicans of Mississippi, like all Republicans who slavishly hang on Trump’s
    every word, take the past on their terms. The Confederacy was a noble, lost cause,
    slavery and the brutal Jim Crow era that followed a mere footnote to a glorious,
    genteel era of unquestioned white dominance.

    Public hangings are to be joked about. After all, it wasn’t any of the necks of
    Hyde-Smith’s ancestors in the noose."

    "Sparsely populated conservative states can outvote populous, diverse and
    Democrat-dominated states. There are more than twice as many people living in
    New York City than the entire state of Mississippi."
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    28 Nov '18 19:48
    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/28/white-supremacy-degeneracy-far-right-populists

    "White supremacy’ is really about white degeneracy
    Today’s far-right populists relish the idea that they can be morally
    contemptible, yet still prevail"

    "The concept of “white supremacy” is having a moment right now,
    and understandably so. White resentment, entitl ...[text shortened]... the academic verbiage about “bell curves” and black crime rates
    before we can tackle the problem."
    Actually, posts like this where a someone insists that only a racist would vote for Republican is a major reason large segments of out society find the left offensive. Quoting someone who engages in name calling is just as offensive as when you engage in name calling yourself and just because you footnote your stereotyping any more truthful.
  4. Zugzwang
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    28 Nov '18 20:012 edits
    @quackquack said
    Actually, posts like this where a someone insists that only a racist would vote for Republican is a major reason large segments of out society find the left offensive. Quoting someone who engages in name calling is just as offensive as when you engage in name calling yourself and just because you footnote your stereotyping any more truthful.
    Another ignorant fatuous rant from the racist troll Quackquack.

    "... someone insists that ONLY a racist would vote for Republican ..."
    --Quackquack

    Quackquack shows (at best) his abysmal reading comprehension.
    Can Quackquack quote the part of the article where the author allegedly wrote
    that "only a racist could vote Republican"?

    The author simply pointed out the correlation between white racism and supporting Donald Trump.
    Donald Trump does NOT represent all Republicans, though Quackquack may be
    deluded enough to believe so.

    In fact, the USA has many racists, and they are more likely to vote Republican than Democratic.
    That does NOT mean, of course, that ONLY racists vote Republican.
    (Quackquack needs a remedial course in basic logic.)

    Extremely stupid white people embrace racism, of course, but that's the only way
    that they can get a competitive advantage against much more intelligent non-whites.
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    28 Nov '18 20:141 edit
    @duchess64 said
    Another ignorant fatuous rant from the racist troll Quackquack.

    "... someone insists that only a racist would vote for Republican ..."
    --Quackquack

    Quackquack shows (at best) his abysmal reading comprehension.
    Can Quackquack quote the part of the article where the author allegedly wrote
    that "only a racist could vote Republican"?

    The author simply pointed out t ...[text shortened]... 's the only way
    that they can get a competitive advantage against much more intelligent non-whites.
    Perhaps instead of hurling incorrect personal insults you should understand that your mind is limited: (1) You are unable to appreciate any views that differ from your own (2) you are unable to express your opinion without attacking others (3) you are unable to discuss group data without bashing whites/ males.
    People vote for who they think is best for them. Your supposition that it is based on racism is the unsupported ignorant stereotyping that you are so famous for on this site. The same process that allowed Obama to win twice allowed Trump to win once. You only object and assume racism when the candidate you support does not win.
  6. Zugzwang
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    28 Nov '18 20:271 edit
    @quackquack said
    Perhaps instead of hurling incorrect personal insults you should understand that your mind is limited: (1) You are unable to appreciate any views that differ from your own (2) you are unable to express your opinion without attacking others (3) you are unable to discuss group data without bashing whites/ males.
    People vote for who they think is best for them. Your supposi ...[text shortened]... Trump to win once. You only object and assume racism when the candidate you support does not win.
    ""... someone insists that ONLY a racist would vote for Republican ..."
    --Quackquack

    The racist troll Quackquack keeps showing that he's too stupid to comprehend or
    dishonest to admit that his cocksure statement is FALSE.

    No one has 'insisted' that 'ONLY a racist would vote for Republican'.
    (I have not bothered to point out Quackquack's poor English grammar.)
    It's well-known that some, though not many, black people vote Republican.
  7. Zugzwang
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    28 Nov '18 20:321 edit
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/08/midterms-republicans-partisanship-white-identity-politics

    "The midterms revealed the power of partisanship and whiteness
    Democrats hoped for a huge rejection of Trumpism, but found two forces still
    hold an intoxicating political power"

    "That the Democrats have not won an even larger share of seats in Congress is largely
    due to gerrymandering, which gives Republicans a built-in advantage in the House"

    "That it managed to do this is down to two factors that continue to deliver votes
    into the Republican column. The first is the power of partisanship, and the second
    is the power of whiteness. According to an exit poll by CNN, fully 94% of Republicans
    voted for Republican House candidates. Meanwhile, white voters went for Trump
    by a 10% margin. Among older whites and whites without a college degree
    (often a proxy for conservative racial attitudes), the margins were even starker."

    The 'new' Republican Party (led by Donald Trump) is being built more around
    white identity politics (nationalism) than any abstract economic principles.
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    28 Nov '18 20:36
    @duchess64 said
    ""... someone insists that ONLY a racist would vote for Republican ..."
    --Quackquack

    The racist troll Quackquack keeps showing that he's too stupid to comprehend or
    dishonest to admit that his cocksure statement is FALSE.

    No one has 'insisted' that 'ONLY a racist would vote for Republican'.
    (I have not bothered to point out Quackquack's poor English grammar.)
    It's well-known that some, though, not many black people vote Republican.
    Only a dumb ignorant fool like yourself needs to regularly insult others when making a point. Black people vote virtually as a block insisting on candidates who give them preferences like affirmative action. Perhaps we accurately call supporters of affirmative action, a policy which refuses to make decisions on a candidate with out looking at their race and gender, racists and not those who wish for all candidates to be judged based on the own credentials.
  9. Zugzwang
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    28 Nov '18 21:02
    @quackquack said
    Only a dumb ignorant fool like yourself needs to regularly insult others when making a point. Black people vote virtually as a block insisting on candidates who give them preferences like affirmative action. Perhaps we accurately call supporters of affirmative action, a policy which refuses to make decisions on a candidate with out looking at their race and gender, racists and not those who wish for all candidates to be judged based on the own credentials.
    Quackquack shows that he's incapable of comprehending the meaning of 'only' (which he wrote).
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    28 Nov '18 21:35
    @duchess64 said
    Quackquack shows that he's incapable of comprehending the meaning of 'only' (which he wrote).
    You are a moron if you believe that.
  11. Standard membershavixmir
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    @quackquack said
    Actually, posts like this where a someone insists that only a racist would vote for Republican is a major reason large segments of out society find the left offensive. Quoting someone who engages in name calling is just as offensive as when you engage in name calling yourself and just because you footnote your stereotyping any more truthful.
    Actually, posts like this are the reason the left are obnoxiously arrogant and condensending to right-wing trump supporters.

    No matter how hard I wipe my boots on the doormat, I just can’t get the right-wing “We’re the victims here...” BS scraped off them.
  12. Subscribersonhouse
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    30 Nov '18 14:371 edit
    @quackquack

    The REAL insult is you claiming the victor was not racist. She is CLEARLY racist, making sure her own children would not be near those filthy blacks in school. Yessir, a real lover of diversity. We call a spade a spade jack.

    The bad news for the racists in Mississippi is this: The dem came within 8 points of her vote. That of course tells you nothing, since you are as racist as any of them.

    Personally I HOPE whites become a minority, maybe then the US can become a real democracy where voter suppression and gerrymandering and the stupid electoral college will become a thing of the past where the majority vote becomes the power of the land, unlike how it is now where literally hundreds of thousands of voter suppression machines were deliberately set up for the express purpose of stopping black and brown votes. But of course for you, totally ok.
  13. Behind the scenes
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    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/28/white-supremacy-degeneracy-far-right-populists

    "White supremacy’ is really about white degeneracy
    Today’s far-right populists relish the idea that they can be morally
    contemptible, yet still prevail"

    "The concept of “white supremacy” is having a moment right now,
    and understandably so. White resentment, entitl ...[text shortened]... the academic verbiage about “bell curves” and black crime rates
    before we can tackle the problem."
    Normally I would agree with all of this, but since Duchess is just as much of a racist as those she is criticizing -

    - I Refuse! 😀
  14. Zugzwang
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    01 Dec '18 05:382 edits
    @shavixmir said
    Actually, posts like this are the reason the left are obnoxiously arrogant and condensending to right-wing trump supporters.

    No matter how hard I wipe my boots on the doormat, I just can’t get the right-wing “We’re the victims here...” BS scraped off them.
    (Shavixmir replied to Quackquack.)

    The hateful lying racist troll Mchill has long insisted (or at least implied)
    that white men are the most oppressed group in the USA.
  15. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    This is not a very good article at all.

    For one, it just assumes that Trump, Orban, etc. are all part of a 'new white supremacy,' and I am sure that they are also referring to the Alt RIght, and this basically results in conflating lots of different things and pretending they are all the same... Maybe that is OK if there is some meaningful, loose link establised, but that is never done.

    Instead, it is then just blanket accusations agaisnt Trump and these people.

    No new information or analysis.

    Just far left cheerleadiing, IMO.
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