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@no1marauder saidCan't make a deal and trust a communist to keep it.
A deal is possible IMO and its parameters were sketched out in March before the Ukraine walked away from the table.
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@no1marauder saidDon't be childish, marauder. It doesn't become your jurisdictual persona.
neocon mantra that Putin is unspeakably evil
@shallow-blue saidYou seem to have a habit of selective quoting out of context. Why is that? It comes off as intellectually dishonest.
Don't be childish, marauder. It doesn't become your jurisdictual persona.
Putin will agree to a deal if it serves his interests. It will probably require a comprehensive settlement of issues which is why I proposed a multi country summit with both the end to the war and the Russian proposals made in December on the table.
Personally, I prefer this to the death, misery, suffering and worldwide economic damage the war is causing and will cause in the future but I understand that others are bent on Russia's outright military defeat and will fight to the last Ukrainian to achieve that highly unlikely goal.
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@shallow-blue saidIs Marauder the one that says he's a lawyer?
Don't be childish, marauder. It doesn't become your jurisdictual persona.
@no1marauder saidMaybe a different leadership in Russia might help.
You seem to have a habit of selective quoting out of context. Why is that? It comes off as intellectually dishonest.
Putin will agree to a deal if it serves his interests. It will probably require a comprehensive settlement of issues which is why I proposed a multi country summit with both the end to the war and the Russian proposals made in December on the table.
...[text shortened]... outright military defeat and will fight to the last Ukrainian to achieve that highly unlikely goal.
Any settlement with Russia with any of their demands being met will be incremental in nature.
I just don't expect Putin to stop there.
Putin has already viewed the collapse of the Soviet Union as the biggest geo-political tragedy of the 20th century.
And he was in Berlin when it happened.
He has his boundary wish list.
I just can't stomach any negotiated settlement where Russia achieved gains from this war.
But it will happen. A bitter pill indeed.
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@no1marauder saidPot, kettle, don't be such a lawyer.
You seem to have a habit of selective quoting out of context.
@no1marauder saidWhy aren’t they urging Ukraine?
I guess I'm not the only one who favors negotiations and a peace deal:
"The leaders of France and Germany have urged Russia's Vladimir Putin to hold "direct [and] serious negotiations" with Ukraine's president, the German chancellor's office said."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61618907
@no1marauder saidHahaha yeah let’s disarm and retreat in the face if Putins aggression. I’m sure the front line eastern flank states are gonna go for that one No1 👍
You seem to have a habit of selective quoting out of context. Why is that? It comes off as intellectually dishonest.
Putin will agree to a deal if it serves his interests. It will probably require a comprehensive settlement of issues which is why I proposed a multi country summit with both the end to the war and the Russian proposals made in December on the table.
...[text shortened]... outright military defeat and will fight to the last Ukrainian to achieve that highly unlikely goal.
You are still under the delusion that Russia is still a super power, It does not get a sphere of influence in Europe it’s not powerful enough to carve one out and no one is going to trust a word it says concerning it’s intentions for a very long time, well except fans like yourself obviously.
Stop your crocodile tears over the death and mayhem that Putin is inflicting in Ukraine. There is only one way to stop that. Kill and destroy as much of the invaders military machine as possible forcing Putin to take the deal that suits his victims and protects the rest of peaceful democratic Europe from misadventures of an ex KGB war criminal.
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@no1marauder saidStop lying about the stance of others, everyone wants a negotiated peace in Ukraine and the region in general but that’s not going be achieved by giving Putin his wish list of a defenceless Eastern Europe and an authoritarian criminal state gaining a sphere of influence over a huge swathe of democratic countries.
I guess I'm not the only one who favors negotiations and a peace deal:
"The leaders of France and Germany have urged Russia's Vladimir Putin to hold "direct [and] serious negotiations" with Ukraine's president, the German chancellor's office said."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61618907
All you’ve ever wanted is total victory for Putin because you felt more comfortable when the White House and the Kremlin carved the world up between them. If your looking for neocons try a the.mirror and that poster of Putin in your bedroom wall.
@no1marauder saidIt’s not for me to concede it, still not getting the sovereignty thing are we No1
The Ukraine had such a policy for more than two decades and signaled a willingness to return to it as part of a comprehensive settlement in March.
Can't understand why anyone would be willing to continue this war indefinitely rather than concede this point.
@kevcvs57 saidAgain, you seem to be under the impression that ceaselessly lying about my position is a valid debating tactic. It is not.
Stop lying about the stance of others, everyone wants a negotiated peace in Ukraine and the region in general but that’s not going be achieved by giving Putin his wish list of a defenceless Eastern Europe and an authoritarian criminal state gaining a sphere of influence over a huge swathe of democratic countries.
All you’ve ever wanted is total victory for Putin because you ...[text shortened]... en them. If your looking for neocons try a the.mirror and that poster of Putin in your bedroom wall.
You don't want a negotiated settlement; you dream about a complete military defeat of Russia that isn't going to happen. In the meantime, you are quite happy to accept all the death, misery and economic suffering this war is causing in bloodthirsty pursuit of that fantasy.
@kevcvs57 saidPropaganda isn't a plan. But you don't have one of those, do you or at least one that avoids tens of thousands or more deaths and massive economic and human suffering.
Hahaha yeah let’s disarm and retreat in the face if Putins aggression. I’m sure the front line eastern flank states are gonna go for that one No1 👍
You are still under the delusion that Russia is still a super power, It does not get a sphere of influence in Europe it’s not powerful enough to carve one out and no one is going to trust a word it says concerning it’s intentio ...[text shortened]... ms and protects the rest of peaceful democratic Europe from misadventures of an ex KGB war criminal.
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@no1marauder saidNo I’m evaluating your position from the totally 360 degree difference in your attitude to NATO or a western alliance invading a sovereign state and Putin invading a sovereign state.
Again, you seem to be under the impression that ceaselessly lying about my position is a valid debating tactic. It is not.
You don't want a negotiated settlement; you dream about a complete military defeat of Russia that isn't going to happen. In the meantime, you are quite happy to accept all the death, misery and economic suffering this war is causing in bloodthirsty pursuit of that fantasy.
When NATO / the West does it it is simply wrong ( which it obviously is ) and they should get out but when Putin does the same it’s apparently complicated and the victims of the aggression need to think of ways that they can appease the power that has waged a disgusting war of slaughter on them.
Better yet third countries need to line up and offer Putin some geopolitical reward that may very well leave them open to the same treatment by an expansionist autocracy.
Your position is darkly farcical and that’s no lie or explain where I’ve misinterpreted your stance?
I’m all for a negotiated settlement between Ukraine and Russia but not by stripping the victim of any means of defence with which to wrest a realistic and secure future.