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Originally posted by no1marauder
Do you think the Imperial Guardsmen are?
Certainly not. Venice, like Byzantium and Savoy, is anything but easy. I haven't played this game before, but I suspect extremely strong cities like these need to be taken by an alliance.

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Originally posted by rwingett
It's apparent that some realms do not know that you can, or should, annex provinces.
It's apparent that I need to get off my duff and go buy my crown.

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Originally posted by buffalobill
Certainly not. Venice, like Byzantium and Savoy, is anything but easy. I haven't played this game before, but I suspect extremely strong cities like these need to be taken by an alliance.
I have some ideas on how one can do it, but I'm not going to share them for obvious reasons. I don't think an alliance is necessary, but isolation would be key.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
What would you suggest as a percentage value of a non-annexed province to an annexed? Give me a reasonable number and I'll redo the calculations.
Personally, I can't answer that question because I don't know how you calculate your power table. But, victory requires a state or alliance to control a minimum total of 700 gold which can be split into 2 x 250 major alliances and 2 x 150 minor alliances. The value of the annexed province surely should be three times that of the owned province, because it's ongoing revenue, while that of one you own and can pillage effectively every second turn is that much less.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
Look, I really don't care if a bunch of you want to act like 5 year olds and make your decisions in an internet war game based on who you don't like. It's childish, but that's up to you. KnightWulfe was the first one to start tossing personal comments rather than in-game comments and ATY and you have kept it up. So stop your whining and play the game.
What personal comments did I make?

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Originally posted by rwingett
This is my list based on annexed provinces. Of course, my calculations could be wrong in a few spots, but I think it's generally accurate.

the Duchy of Bavaria 83 Gold
the Golden Horde 76 Gold
the Duchy of Saxony 74 Gold
the Principality of Lithuania 74 Gold
the Kingdom of Hungary 72 Gold
the Byzantine Empire 72 Gold
the Kingdom of Sicily 71 Gold
...[text shortened]... 6 Gold

It's apparent that some realms do not know that you can, or should, annex provinces.
Excellent work. It's a rough guide but one which points to who is likely to be most successful in the long run due to their ability to outspend the rest and build more troops. While Denmark is lowest in your list it still has an exceptionally strong army (about 1250 CP). Each combat it is involved in though, reduces this strength while its ability to renew its forces is also reduced.

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Originally posted by buffalobill
Personally, I can't answer that question because I don't know how you calculate your power table. But, victory requires a state or alliance to control a minimum total of 700 gold which can be split into 2 x 250 major alliances and 2 x 150 minor alliances. The value of the annexed province surely should be three times that of the owned province, because i ...[text shortened]... e, while that of one you own and can pillage effectively every second turn is that much less.
3 times?? No way. The lowest amount you can get from pillage is 58.5% (90% of a Heavy Damage provine or 65😵.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
3 times?? No way. The lowest amount you can get from pillage is 58.5% (90% of a Heavy Damage provine or 65😵.
You can't move in the turn in which you pillage and you need at least a combat strength of 10 (or is this HP?). Either way, it ties up troops which can otherwise go elsewhere.
EDIT: You've got to count in the opportunity cost.

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Originally posted by buffalobill
You can't move in the turn in which you pillage and you need at least a combat strength of 10 (or is this HP?). Either way, it ties up troops which can otherwise go elsewhere.
10 is just one unit; you're unlikely to leave provinces unguarded generally. You can move and pillage; you just can't pillage and move.

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Originally posted by Suzianne
Yes, obviously you can tell my in-game comments apart from my OOC (out-of-character) comments. I wonder why we're all having problems telling *yours* apart? It's this inability to tell the difference between your in-game disrespect and OOC disrespect that originally pissed KnightWulfe and AThousandYoung off, so I'm not alone in trying to guess where you're coming from at any one moment.
OOC disrespect did not affect my choice.

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
What personal comments did I make?
Re-read your PM.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
10 is just one unit; you're unlikely to leave provinces unguarded generally. You can move and pillage; you just can't pillage and move.
A province which has well defended or unattainable borders can easily be left empty.

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Originally posted by buffalobill
A province which has well defended or unattainable borders can easily be left empty.
How many of those start as independent provinces? I'll go down as far as saying an unannexed province is 50% of an annexed province in value though I consider that as an underestimation, but anything lower is too much.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
Re-read your PM.
All I said was you have a reputation for being Machiavellian, untrustworthy, manipulative, etc. You do! You told us Frogstomp was your Machiavelli (advisor) for this specific game! All kinds of people have PMed me as part of negotiations about how you're an untrustworthy, irritating snake! I suggested to one of my allies he ally with you too, and he said he didn't trust you enough.

I can't see anything else that you might possibly think was a personal insult for the last 2 PMs I sent you before that or in this one. Are you really that sensitive?

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
All I said was you have a reputation for being Machiavellian, untrustworthy, manipulative, etc. You do! You told us Frogstomp was your Machiavelli (advisor) for this specific game! All kinds of people have PMed me as part of negotiations about how you're an untrustworthy, irritating snake! I suggested to one of my allies he ally with you too, and he ult for the last 2 PMs I sent you before that or in this one. Are you really that sensitive?
Those are PERSONAL COMMENTS aren't they?? You deny making them by making more of them!!

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