Originally posted by @whodeyAs the result of working within the British justice system (now retired) I have frequently come across the darker side of human nature and behaviour. There are some for whom societal constraints seem to apply much more weakly than others. Nonetheless I have generally believed in "nurture over nature" and that "no-one is born evil" although I recognise there have been one or two cases where a person's behaviour defeats current psychological understanding and thus seems to have been simply "wired wrong".
Well?
I think in any given moment it is possible to choose to do something good without be defined by the actions thoughts and fears of the past and thus that some spiritual practices have encompassed this "wisdom" before they passed into mainstream psychotherapy.
-Removed-I'm not missing the point, I asked you what you think Jesus meant by using the
"METAPHOR" He did. Answer that, I think its literal I've announced that enough I wouldn't
think you'd need to ask. What I have not seen is what do YOU think the point was that
Jesus was making using the "METAPHOR" the clearly sounds as if eternal punishment
is in play?
Originally posted by @kellyjayJesus described in very great detail who it is that are righteous enough to enter the Kingdom of God. It is a very clear description of people doing good works. Maybe you have not come across it. Let me know and I will post the references.
Because if you are not righteous before God as God requires you are not righteous enough.
Even in the stories of the Rich man and Lazarus, the rich man lived a selfish life and went to hell in torment and the poor man was taken to heaven. In the Good Samaritan story the priest and the Levite both people of faith, failed to do good works and they would not be in the Kingdom of God.
Its not rocket science. The qualification to enter the Kingdom of God is good works and righteousness. God is pleased with that.
You do not believe in that. You instead make these vague pronouncements of having the Spirit of Christ which is nonsensical mambo jumbo. Your doctrine misses the mark by a mile and does not clearly spell out for people what is required of them.
Originally posted by @rajk999Never denied that those entering will do good works, but does it say anywhere specifically
Jesus described in very great detail who it is that are righteous enough to enter the Kingdom of God. It is a very clear description of people doing good works. Maybe you have not come across it. Let me know and I will post the references.
Even in the stories of the Rich man and Lazarus, the rich man lived a selfish life and went to hell in torment and t ...[text shortened]... ne misses the mark by a mile and does not clearly spell out for people what is required of them.
do good works so you are good enough to enter into God's kingdom? I can point to where it
says the righteous are to do good works, and where it says it isn't by works we are saved.
Originally posted by @kellyjayIn Matt 25 it was because the sheep did good works they were good enough to enter the Kingdom of God.
Never denied that those entering will do good works, but does it say anywhere specifically
do good works so you are good enough to enter into God's kingdom? I can point to where it
says the righteous are to do good works, and where it says it isn't by works we are saved.
It was because the goats did not do good works they were barred from entry.
Saved is not the same as eternal life.
Originally posted by @kellyjayWhere does it say that the righteous are to do good works?
Never denied that those entering will do good works, but does it say anywhere specifically
do good works so you are good enough to enter into God's kingdom? I can point to where it
says the righteous are to do good works, and where it says it isn't by works we are saved.
What does that mean.
Is it some someone is proclaimed righteous and then they are supposed to do good works? Suppose they do not do good works what then.
That makes no sense.
Originally posted by @rajk999Before you pat yourself on the back, what made a sheep, a sheep, and a goat, a goat?
In Matt 25 it was because the sheep did good works they were good enough to enter the Kingdom of God.
It was because the goats did not do good works they were barred from entry.
Saved is not the same as eternal life.
They where sorted long before the works were come into play.
Matthew 3:12
His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”
Originally posted by @kellyjayNonsense. No such thing is in the bible. i will leave you to wallow in your false garbage church doctrine.
Before you pat yourself on the back, what made a sheep, a sheep, and a goat, a goat?
They where sorted long before the works were come into play.
Matthew 3:12
His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”