Originally posted by FMFThank you for the post. If that ain't genocide I don't know what is. The defence is based solely on the fact that Islam is not a true religion. If you substituted Jew for Muslim, it amounts to very much the same as the Final Solution.
What Dasa said was: "There can be no peace in this world until false religion is eradicated and true religion established. The most vile excuse for a religion is Islam and it must be banned. [...] The Governments of the world should be pre-emptive and abolish Islam from the face of the earth. To do this ..........force must be used and termination of all Musli ...[text shortened]... aviour is lower than the animals they must be dealt with."
Do you endorse Dasa's proposal?
I would hope no-one here would endorse this position.
And I can confirm the posting was an accurate transcription.
Originally posted by Rank outsiderI still think Dasa meant all the extremist Muslims that are the terrorist
Female circumcision was one, if I recall correctly.
If he was advocating his beliefs as a stand against terrorism, why mention this instead of...err... terrorism. Abhorrent though female circumcision is, it is not grounds for genocide.
I think you should reconsider your position here. Dasa did not expect someone to keep the deleted post and he ...[text shortened]... ine to forward his agenda by another means. I really believe you have fallen for his deception.
who believe in the Islam that supports Jehad against all infidels, which
they interpret to mean anyone that is not a Muslim. He may not even
know there are other Muslims who do not think this way.
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Originally posted by RJHindsHaving heard what he actually said, do you still endorse Dasa's proposal?
I still think Dasa meant all the extremist Muslims that are the terrorist
who believe in the Islam that supports Jehad against all infidels, which
they interpret to mean anyone that is not a Muslim. He may not even
know there are other Muslims who do not think this way.
Originally posted by RJHindsI have said several times that he appeared to be banned for two weeks following his call on the 19th December for genocide against Muslims. What specific lies are you accusing me of?
Dasa posted on 12 Jan 2012 so I doubt that he has been banned.
It is my opinion that you are a liar so I do not take what you say
very seriously.
Originally posted by RJHindsSorry I can't agree with you. But even if this is true, he needs to recognise that his views, unless better expressed, will be misunderstood and that the error is with him. Not simply label everyone dishonest when they take his views at face value.
I still think Dasa meant all the extremist Muslims that are the terrorist
who believe in the Islam that supports Jehad against all infidels, which
they interpret to mean anyone that is not a Muslim. He may not even
know there are other Muslims who do not think this way.
Originally posted by Rank outsiderIf, as RJHinds stills thinks [despite reading what was actually said], Dasa meant that he was only referring to Muslim terrorists, why did he specifically say that "Muslim children however would be sparred because you can teach them truth and how to be civilized"? Where does that leave Muslim adult men and adult Muslim women? Why were "children" mentioned but not "terrorists"?
Sorry I can't agree with you. But even if this is true, he needs to recognise that his views, unless better expressed, will be misunderstood and that the error is with him. Not simply label everyone dishonest when they take his views at face value.
Originally posted by RJHindsYou dont sound quite as definitive and certain as before.
I still think Dasa meant all the extremist Muslims that are the terrorist
who believe in the Islam that supports Jehad against all infidels, which
they interpret to mean anyone that is not a Muslim. He may not even
know there are other Muslims who do not think this way.
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Originally posted by FMFEven though you hadn't sent the post to me I very clearly remember reading it before it was banned and Dasa was very clear in that post that he was calling for the genocide of all Muslim adults.
If, as RJHinds stills thinks [despite reading what was actually said], Dasa meant that he was only referring to Muslim terrorists, why did he specifically say that "Muslim children however would be sparred because you can teach them truth and how to be civilized"? Where does that leave Muslim adult men and adult Muslim women? Why were "children" mentioned but not "terrorists"?
I find it funny that RJHinds is defending Dasa here since Dasa is also the most intolerant person when it comes to Christianity. His intolerance is not soley aimed at Islam. I guess certain Christians are rather selective when it comes to turning the other cheek.
Originally posted by RJHindsEven with the Mafia, you don't just round up everyone who belongs to the Mafia and "terminate" all of them. I'm sure many people can belong to the Mafia without being directly (or even indirectly) involved in the organization's crimes. You need to find the ones who are specifically engaging in criminal behavior, put them on trial, and sentence those found guilty.
The Taliban is not a nation or an ethnic group. So to eliminate the
Taliban is not really genocide. It is no different than eliminating the
Mafia criminal syndicate in the USA even though this organization
may be made up of only one ethnic group. However, they do not
represent the entire ethnic group, so to terminate them is not an
attempt at genocide on the ethnic group.
Originally posted by Rank outsiderI third that confirmation. I (and others, I assume) alerted the mods. I didn't call it genocidal, I only pointed out two statements of his, one of them that FMF quotes. Of course they had access to his entire post and the previous posts. I asked that they take appropriate action. They took down the thread.
Thank you for the post. If that ain't genocide I don't know what is. The defence is based solely on the fact that Islam is not a true religion. If you substituted Jew for Muslim, it amounts to very much the same as the Final Solution.
I would hope no-one here would endorse this position.
And I can confirm the posting was an accurate transcription.
Originally posted by RJHindsWill you please read what Dasa wrote, because if he had meant to say extremist muslims, he could have corrected it in his follow up post rather than claiming that he did not write anything against muslims at all.
I still think Dasa meant all the extremist Muslims that are the terrorist
who believe in the Islam that supports Jehad against all infidels, which
they interpret to mean anyone that is not a Muslim. He may not even
know there are other Muslims who do not think this way.
I would also be interested in where you think fmf told lies
Originally posted by deennyI have forgiven Dasa and FMF too. So I don't see any more need to
Will you please read what Dasa wrote, because if he had meant to say extremist muslims, he could have corrected it in his follow up post rather than claiming that he did not write anything against muslims at all.
I would also be interested in where you think fmf told lies
bring this subject up, since I see that we will not agree and to
continue would just cause animosity. Have a good day. 😏
Originally posted by RJHindsWhat does this mean?
I have forgiven Dasa and FMF too. So I don't see any more need to
bring this subject up, since I see that we will not agree and to
continue would just cause animosity. Have a good day. 😏
That you are not Dasa's best friend anymore?
That there is a crack between creationists?
Or that you finally know that you are wrong?