Enemies of the cross of Christ

Originally posted by KellyJay
Are you adding to the text?
We never had this discussion that I can recall where unless someone has to preach to them, or the gospel doesn't apply.

That is not based upon scripture, you'll have to defend that statement with text please.

You have Alzheimers KJ.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You have Alzheimers KJ.

How many times have you said you do not go personal?

Originally posted by KellyJay
How many times have you said you do not go personal?

I dont ask personal questions. 😀

Anyway here is passage that explains how people believe in Christ or have faith in Christ:

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?
and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?
and how shall they hear without a preacher?
And how shall they preach, except they be sent?
as it is written,
How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
But they have not all obeyed the gospel.
For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
But I say, Have they not heard?
Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
(Rom 10:13-18)

Paul is saying the following:
- people cannot believe in Christ unless they have heard of Christ
- people cannot hear about Christ unless someone preach to them about Christ
- a preacher cannot preach about Christ unless God sends them to preach.

The last couple sentences get confusing as it claims that the gospel was preached all over the earth. I dont know how to intrepret that. It could be that the wise men who visited Christ at birth was sent by God to preach in different parts of the world.

There are many unknowns here but for you to make a blanket statement that anyone who does not believe in Christ [using your definition of 'believe' and the way you believe] is condemned is incorrect, in my opinion.

Again you have your interpretation and I have mine.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I dont ask personal questions. 😀

Anyway here is passage that explains how people believe in Christ or have faith in Christ:

[i]For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?
and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?
and how shall they hear w ...[text shortened]... is condemned is incorrect, in my opinion.

Again you have your interpretation and I have mine.

I agree Paul is saying they cannot believe unless they are told, that does not mean that
they are not going to be held accountable for their sins. That is the part you have to
explain, where do you get they don't need to hear to not be held accountable for their
sins?

Originally posted by Rajk999
I do not respond to questions of a personal nature, and I respect your privacy enough not to ask you questions of personal nature.

Can you just discuss the bible without getting personal?

Nothing is more personal than one's salvation.

You would hide it under a barrel, as if you are ashamed of it. And not only that, but you would that others do the same.

You're always saying that most Christians profess with their mouth and do not have Christ in their hearts, and yet you don't want to "get personal". You judge other Christians and yet you don't want to "get personal". You assume far too much and say that we have no "good works" and yet, you don't want to "get personal". Christ came to earth and died on the cross not only for you but for all who believe in Him, and yet you don't want to "get personal". If you had even the smallest amount of Christian fellowship in your life, perhaps you wouldn't presume to judge your Christian brothers and perhaps you wouldn't mind "getting personal" without hiding your life with Christ. One's Christian walk should be a celebration of the Good News. Christ came not only so that we might have life, but to have it "more abundantly". We are charged to be examples of the "life well-lived". How can we do this if we're so busy hiding our light under a barrel?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I agree Paul is saying they cannot believe unless they are told, that does not mean that
they are not going to be held accountable for their sins. That is the part you have to
explain, where do you get they don't need to hear to not be held accountable for their
sins?

No ... back up.

Your claim is that all those who do not believe in Christ are condemned?

Are you changing that now?

And can you quote where I say that they are not going to be held accountable for their sins? I never said that.

Originally posted by Rajk999
No ... back up.

Your claim is that all those who do not believe in Christ are condemned?

Are you changing that now?

And can you quote where I say that they are not going to be held accountable for their sins? I never said that.

I have been quoting Jesus who said that, that isn't me it is Jesus.

Originally posted by Rajk999
No ... back up.

Your claim is that all those who do not believe in Christ are condemned?

Are you changing that now?

And can you quote where I say that they are not going to be held accountable for their sins? I never said that.

You want me to go back and find where you said if they do good works they get in without
Jesus?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I have been quoting Jesus who said that, that isn't me it is Jesus.

The reason for your quoting is that that passge seems to support your view that only if someone knows Christ only then they will be saved.

Originally posted by KellyJay
You want me to go back and find where you said if they do good works they get in without
Jesus?

NO !!!

You said that I said:

... they are not going to be held accountable for their sins

WHERE DID I SAY THAT .

Originally posted by Rajk999
NO !!!

You said that I said:

[b] ... they are not going to be held accountable for their sins

WHERE DID I SAY THAT .[/b]

Are they going to be accepted based upon their works instead of Jesus?

Originally posted by Rajk999
The reason for your quoting is that that passge seems to support your view that only if someone knows Christ only then they will be saved.

Can you show me verses that support without Christ anyone will be saved?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Can you show me verses that support without Christ anyone will be saved?

I have no intention continuing to repeat myself. Im done.
Did any of the OT people know Christ [by your definition].
Did Rehab the harlot know Christ?
Its not who knows Christ .

IT IS WHO CHRIST KNOWS, WHO GOD CALLS GOOD AND RIGHTEOUS.
CHRIST KNOWS HIS SHEEP. CHRIST KNOW WHO ARE THE GOOD PEOPLE THAT HE WILL CALL INTO HIS KINGDOM. AND THE ARE FROM ALL RELIGIONS.

I will leave you to wallow in your false doctrine KJ .. This is my last post on this issue.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I have no intention continuing to repeat myself. Im done.
Did any of the OT people know Christ [by your definition].
Did Rehab the harlot know Christ?
Its not who knows Christ .

IT IS WHO CHRIST KNOWS, WHO GOD CALLS GOOD AND RIGHTEOUS.
CHRIST KNOWS HIS SHEEP. CHRIST KNOW WHO ARE THE GOOD PEOPLE THAT HE WILL CALL INTO HIS KINGDOM. AND THE ARE FROM ALL ...[text shortened]... .

I will leave you to wallow in your false doctrine KJ .. This is my last post on this issue.

Like I said, you claim we can be saved without Jesus, so there are those who sin that are
not going to be held accountable for them.

Originally posted by Rajk999
After a discussion with Manny in the thread "Jesus saves VS works", I cant help but notice how so many Christians cherry pick the Bible with the aim of extracting the most favourable doctrine that suits their fancy [or personal situation] which I summarise and paraphrase below:

- I profess I believe in Christ therefore Im saved eternally
- Not even God ...[text shortened]... ding to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. (Php 3:20-21)[/b]

Rajk999 your assuming a lot that was not said ........salvation however is a gift from God and really can't be earned by some single righteous act and all I'm saying is that we all fall short of God's perfect standard.....so why be righteous ? because we love God and if we love God we will do what is right ......of course we demonstrate our faith by our works the book James speaks to this and is it a contradiction to faith ? No not at all. One can't continue to live an evil life and call themselves a Christian

Manny