How many here want freedom FROM religion?

Originally posted by RJHinds
It is Christ that is the true Light. Beware! Satan masquerades as an angel of light and deceives many into thinking they have been "enlightened". 😏

HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord!

thanks for confirming that christ is satan.

Originally posted by RJHinds
So what? Marriage used to be up to parents too and sometimes still is. It is still up to the children to believe or not to believe. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

humans aren't horses. you can make them do anything, especially if you start when they are still young.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
humans aren't horses. you can make them do anything, especially if you start when they are still young.

That was just an old saying. But you do make sense sometimes after all. That must be why Christ likened humans to sheep and goats rather than horses.

Originally posted by sonhouse
I think most people have an innate sense of morality and kids will develop pretty much the same morality wise with a church or without a church. That tells me the church is an artificial construct. We don't need to have our heads pounded every day with morality lessons.

I get my morality by the way I see people being treated, by the wrongs that happen to ...[text shortened]... re on a different planet from back in those primitive days even 300 years ago much less 2000.

If most people have an innate sense of morality who are you to tell anothers/ he
is wrong, even if s/he is wrong in how s/he is treating another? After all they have
views of no more importance than yours correct?
Kelly

Originally posted by RJHinds
That was just an old saying. But you do make sense sometimes after all. That must be why Christ likened humans to sheep and goats rather than horses.

yes, he definitely had people like you in mind when he likened people to sheep.

Originally posted by KellyJay
If most people have an innate sense of morality who are you to tell anothers/ he
is wrong, even if s/he is wrong in how s/he is treating another? After all they have
views of no more importance than yours correct?
Kelly

People often act against their own morality. ie they do things that they believe to be morally wrong.

Originally posted by RJHinds
That must be why Christ likened humans to sheep and goats rather than horses.

He likened believers to sheep because sheep are not very bright and do whatever the shepherd tells them to do. Goats are intelligent and have a mind of their own. Whoever wrote that parable had some first hand experience with sheep and goats.

Originally posted by twhitehead
He likened believers to sheep because sheep are not very bright and do whatever the shepherd tells them to do. Goats are intelligent and have a mind of their own. Whoever wrote that parable had some first hand experience with sheep and goats.

So you think it is intelligent of goats not to do what the Shepherd tells them, huh? To me, that sounds like how Satan thinks. Funny stuff! 😀

Originally posted by RJHinds
So you think it is intelligent of goats not to do what the Shepherd tells them, huh? To me, that sounds like how Satan thinks. Funny stuff! 😀

I dare you to prove the existence of this 'Satan' you keep referring to. Impossible since it is a figment of some writers imagination thousands of years ago.

Originally posted by RJHinds
So you think it is intelligent of goats not to do what the Shepherd tells them, huh? To me, that sounds like how Satan thinks. Funny stuff! 😀

it's too late for sheep. they are domesticated and destined to end up on the shepherd's dinner plate. if they wonder off, they'll end up being eaten by wolves.

it's lose, lose for you sheep.

Originally posted by sonhouse
I dare you to prove the existence of this 'Satan' you keep referring to. Impossible since it is a figment of some writers imagination thousands of years ago.

If Satan does exist in any way shape or form, I bet "He" has gained more power from christians than satanists and atheists (and the rest) put together.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
If Satan does exist in any way shape or form, I bet "He" has gained more power from christians than satanists and atheists (and the rest) put together.

indeed. satan wouldn't exist without christians.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
indeed. satan wouldn't exist without christians.

Buddhists and Muslims as well as Jews also profess belief, making your assertions, as
ludicrous as ever.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Buddhists and Muslims as well as Jews also profess belief, making your assertions, as
ludicrous as ever.

Buddhists believe in Satan? Hadn't heard that before.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
indeed. satan wouldn't exist without christians.

Satan existed in the Hebrew Bible before the Christian Gospel was preached or written.

See the Old Testament books of Job, First Chronicles, Zechariah .

And please don't start in with "Oh, that is the just some friendly Advasary" excuse of skeptics, desparately trying to sever the Old Testament away from the New Testament.