1. Maryland
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    28 Aug '10 18:46
    How can you believe in a god who inflicts pain and suffering and even death on innocent little children. If you believe in such a god, and you approve of such a god, then that means you approve of such suffering. In my mind, that does not cast a favorable light on god and his believers.
  2. ALG
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    28 Aug '10 21:271 edit
    If God is almighty, then why can't he be able to make little children suffer and be good?
  3. Maryland
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    28 Aug '10 22:09
    Originally posted by Thomaster
    If God is almighty, then why can't he be able to make little children suffer and be good?
    So, if I understand you, it's good to make little children suffer?
  4. Unknown Territories
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    29 Aug '10 00:30
    Originally posted by 667joe
    How can you believe in a god who inflicts pain and suffering and even death on innocent little children. If you believe in such a god, and you approve of such a god, then that means you approve of such suffering. In my mind, that does not cast a favorable light on god and his believers.
    Gee, no one ever put the argument like that before. Issue solved, folks, everyone go on home. Nothing to see here, move along, please.
  5. Donationbbarr
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    29 Aug '10 00:56
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Gee, no one ever put the argument like that before. Issue solved, folks, everyone go on home. Nothing to see here, move along, please.
    Ha!
  6. Standard memberKellyJay
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    29 Aug '10 01:52
    Originally posted by 667joe
    How can you believe in a god who inflicts pain and suffering and even death on innocent little children. If you believe in such a god, and you approve of such a god, then that means you approve of such suffering. In my mind, that does not cast a favorable light on god and his believers.
    You mean things like allowing parents to abuse their kids to abuse them, or
    family members who should love and respect them abuse them, other people
    who should be looking out for them attack them or abuse them? How about
    allowing people to sleep with anyone and everyone they want so that STD causes
    all kinds of deformities and so on, how about when we shoot each other do we
    blame God for all of the other things we do to one another too? Maybe we should
    blame God for giving us enough food on the planet to feed everyone, but allowing
    people to hord it for money, or we could blame God for those of us who do drugs
    or sell them for all the pain and suffering that causes, maybe we should blame
    God for all the crap you do to others too.
    Kelly
  7. Donationrwingett
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    29 Aug '10 02:01
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    You mean things like allowing parents to abuse their kids to abuse them, or
    family members who should love and respect them abuse them, other people
    who should be looking out for them attack them or abuse them? How about
    allowing people to sleep with anyone and everyone they want so that STD causes
    all kinds of deformities and so on, how about when we s ...[text shortened]... suffering that causes, maybe we should blame
    God for all the crap you do to others too.
    Kelly
    We can always blame god for the Great Flood. That kind of tops 'em all, don't it?
  8. SubscriberAThousandYoung
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    29 Aug '10 02:10
    Originally posted by rwingett
    We can always blame god for the Great Flood. That kind of tops 'em all, don't it?
    You haven't read Revelations it seems.
  9. Donationrwingett
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    29 Aug '10 02:13
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    You haven't read Revelations it seems.
    Fiction within fiction.
  10. Standard memberSwissGambit
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    29 Aug '10 04:38
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    You mean things like allowing parents to abuse their kids to abuse them, or
    family members who should love and respect them abuse them, other people
    who should be looking out for them attack them or abuse them? How about
    allowing people to sleep with anyone and everyone they want so that STD causes
    all kinds of deformities and so on, how about when we s ...[text shortened]... suffering that causes, maybe we should blame
    God for all the crap you do to others too.
    Kelly
    How about Hurricane Katrina? Can we blame God for that?
  11. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    29 Aug '10 05:58
    World to people:We are God.

    Simple
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    29 Aug '10 10:411 edit
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    You mean things like allowing parents to abuse their kids to abuse them, or
    family members who should love and respect them abuse them, other people
    who should be looking out for them attack them or abuse them? How about
    allowing people to sleep with anyone and everyone they want so that STD causes
    all kinds of deformities and so on, how about when we s ...[text shortened]... suffering that causes, maybe we should blame
    God for all the crap you do to others too.
    Kelly
    “…how about when we shoot each other do we
    blame God for all of the other things we do to one another too?...”

    no; and that is irrelevant;
    667joe was obviously NOT referring to that child-suffering cause by us but rather that child suffering cause by things that we generally have little control over or at least not necessarily so such as rabies, malaria, famine cause by drought, hurricanes etc.

    -What about those causes? How can a truly “kind” God allow such child suffering NOT caused by us when he is all powerful and so it must be in his power to stop such suffering of indecent children?
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    29 Aug '10 11:02
    Originally posted by 667joe
    How can you believe in a god who inflicts pain and suffering and even death on innocent little children. If you believe in such a god, and you approve of such a god, then that means you approve of such suffering. In my mind, that does not cast a favorable light on god and his believers.
    Believers will take that up with their god [if] they meet him.

    In the meantime try to realise that it's MANKIND that creates the suffering in the world. Often by non-spiritual, non-theist bad parents, bad politicians, dictators, corporate leaders and criminals.
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    29 Aug '10 12:07
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    ......maybe we should blame God for all the crap you do to others too.
    Kelly
    Why is it that every time someone asks about suffering, the theists immediately point at other people as the cause, and avoid the difficult questions?
    Why is it that you cant start by addressing the difficult questions? Why does it always take pages and pages before that happens?
    In case you don't know what the difficult questions are (despite having heard them many times before on this forum) here they are:
    1. What about non-man made suffering like disease, and natural disaster?
    2. What about preventing man made suffering (such as preventing child abuse).
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    29 Aug '10 12:291 edit
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Why is it that every time someone asks about suffering, the theists immediately point at other people as the cause, and avoid the difficult questions?
    Why is it that you cant start by addressing the difficult questions? Why does it always take pages and pages before that happens?
    In case you don't know what the difficult questions are (despite having he ...[text shortened]... atural disaster?
    2. What about preventing man made suffering (such as preventing child abuse).
    God creates these things.

    Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

    Everything in this world, good, bad, evil and righteousness .. God is the creator. God allows and instigates these things.

    Christians who doubt that, dont know their Bible.
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