29 Aug 10
Originally posted by 667joeGee, no one ever put the argument like that before. Issue solved, folks, everyone go on home. Nothing to see here, move along, please.
How can you believe in a god who inflicts pain and suffering and even death on innocent little children. If you believe in such a god, and you approve of such a god, then that means you approve of such suffering. In my mind, that does not cast a favorable light on god and his believers.
29 Aug 10
Originally posted by 667joeYou mean things like allowing parents to abuse their kids to abuse them, or
How can you believe in a god who inflicts pain and suffering and even death on innocent little children. If you believe in such a god, and you approve of such a god, then that means you approve of such suffering. In my mind, that does not cast a favorable light on god and his believers.
family members who should love and respect them abuse them, other people
who should be looking out for them attack them or abuse them? How about
allowing people to sleep with anyone and everyone they want so that STD causes
all kinds of deformities and so on, how about when we shoot each other do we
blame God for all of the other things we do to one another too? Maybe we should
blame God for giving us enough food on the planet to feed everyone, but allowing
people to hord it for money, or we could blame God for those of us who do drugs
or sell them for all the pain and suffering that causes, maybe we should blame
God for all the crap you do to others too.
Kelly
29 Aug 10
Originally posted by KellyJayWe can always blame god for the Great Flood. That kind of tops 'em all, don't it?
You mean things like allowing parents to abuse their kids to abuse them, or
family members who should love and respect them abuse them, other people
who should be looking out for them attack them or abuse them? How about
allowing people to sleep with anyone and everyone they want so that STD causes
all kinds of deformities and so on, how about when we s ...[text shortened]... suffering that causes, maybe we should blame
God for all the crap you do to others too.
Kelly
29 Aug 10
Originally posted by KellyJayHow about Hurricane Katrina? Can we blame God for that?
You mean things like allowing parents to abuse their kids to abuse them, or
family members who should love and respect them abuse them, other people
who should be looking out for them attack them or abuse them? How about
allowing people to sleep with anyone and everyone they want so that STD causes
all kinds of deformities and so on, how about when we s ...[text shortened]... suffering that causes, maybe we should blame
God for all the crap you do to others too.
Kelly
29 Aug 10
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Originally posted by KellyJay“…how about when we shoot each other do we
You mean things like allowing parents to abuse their kids to abuse them, or
family members who should love and respect them abuse them, other people
who should be looking out for them attack them or abuse them? How about
allowing people to sleep with anyone and everyone they want so that STD causes
all kinds of deformities and so on, how about when we s ...[text shortened]... suffering that causes, maybe we should blame
God for all the crap you do to others too.
Kelly
blame God for all of the other things we do to one another too?...”
no; and that is irrelevant;
667joe was obviously NOT referring to that child-suffering cause by us but rather that child suffering cause by things that we generally have little control over or at least not necessarily so such as rabies, malaria, famine cause by drought, hurricanes etc.
-What about those causes? How can a truly “kind” God allow such child suffering NOT caused by us when he is all powerful and so it must be in his power to stop such suffering of indecent children?
29 Aug 10
Originally posted by 667joeBelievers will take that up with their god [if] they meet him.
How can you believe in a god who inflicts pain and suffering and even death on innocent little children. If you believe in such a god, and you approve of such a god, then that means you approve of such suffering. In my mind, that does not cast a favorable light on god and his believers.
In the meantime try to realise that it's MANKIND that creates the suffering in the world. Often by non-spiritual, non-theist bad parents, bad politicians, dictators, corporate leaders and criminals.
29 Aug 10
Originally posted by KellyJayWhy is it that every time someone asks about suffering, the theists immediately point at other people as the cause, and avoid the difficult questions?
......maybe we should blame God for all the crap you do to others too.
Kelly
Why is it that you cant start by addressing the difficult questions? Why does it always take pages and pages before that happens?
In case you don't know what the difficult questions are (despite having heard them many times before on this forum) here they are:
1. What about non-man made suffering like disease, and natural disaster?
2. What about preventing man made suffering (such as preventing child abuse).
29 Aug 10
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Originally posted by twhiteheadGod creates these things.
Why is it that every time someone asks about suffering, the theists immediately point at other people as the cause, and avoid the difficult questions?
Why is it that you cant start by addressing the difficult questions? Why does it always take pages and pages before that happens?
In case you don't know what the difficult questions are (despite having he ...[text shortened]... atural disaster?
2. What about preventing man made suffering (such as preventing child abuse).
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Everything in this world, good, bad, evil and righteousness .. God is the creator. God allows and instigates these things.
Christians who doubt that, dont know their Bible.