"Meh, not my fault."

Originally posted by Suzianne
Of course!

Putting man and God on the same scale of justice is ridiculous.

And yet you feel perfectly fine saying this could never be god's will. How can you know?

How can you claim that your scale of anything should be compatible with god's?

Originally posted by Great King Rat
Yes, I think it is good to talk about ACTUAL tragedies that happen, rather than talk in vague metaphors.

Let's not talk about this or that psalm in the bible, let's look at what is actually happening in the world right now.

I understand that you would rather not discuss this kind of stuff, but this is happening in the world right now, Robbie. Face it.

And are you going to blame them all on God?

Christians know that's nonsense.

Originally posted by Suzianne
But as a society, we *do* have to be on the alert for these sick bastards that cause these tragedies, like this idiot that left mere children in charge of fueling the vehicle.

And we know him as god.

Originally posted by Great King Rat
And yet you feel perfectly fine saying this could never be god's will. How can you know?

How can you claim that your scale of anything should be compatible with god's?

"The Most High has spoken, even with His own blood. Surely we know."

Originally posted by Great King Rat
And we know him as god.

He's possibly your "little g" god. The man should be in prison for manslaughter.

He's not my "big G" God.

Originally posted by Suzianne
If God stopped every single tragedy that happened on this planet, for even one day, and it was done in a way that it was obvious that it was God stopping them, then man would finally see that God is alive and well, and this would change the entire meaning and purpose of faith.

No. We're given a free will test. And no, we're not going to be *given* the ...[text shortened]... ling the vehicle.

That we don't, that we (some, anyway) blame God for these things, IS scary.

God could have easily stopped this from happening without anyone ever thinking it was god's doing.

Did he not allow this to happen?

Do you think he was looking down, whispering to himself "No, no, no, don't do that. That will not end well"?

Originally posted by Great King Rat
God could have easily stopped this from happening without anyone ever thinking it was god's doing.

Did he not allow this to happen?

Do you think he was looking down, whispering to himself "No, no, no, don't do that. That will not end well"?

He could've stopped the crucifixion! But did he no!

Originally posted by RBHILL
He could've stopped the crucifixion! But did he no!

hat cruci-fiction oh the story book made up one.

Originally posted by redbarons
hat cruci-fiction oh the story book made up one.

Man's not smart enough to create a story like this, the word of God's is truth!

Originally posted by RBHILL
Man's not smart enough to create a story like this, the word of God's is truth!

Some men are not smart enough to know a good story when they see/read one.

I quite like Great Expectations

Originally posted by Suzianne
Man cannot judge God, period.

[if god existed]

Yes we can. Period.

Morality is objective, and actions and consequences can be weighted by anyone.
God/s have no get out of jail free card by simply being more powerful.
Might does not make right.


EDIT: Also, on the same note.

If we cannot judge god to be bad then you cannot judge god to be good.

Unless you claim that what god does is good because it is god that is doing it,
in which case you MUST believe that god can declare ANYTHING to be morally good
as an inevitable consequence.

Then you cannot coherently claim that we cannot judge god AND AT THE SAME TIME
claim to know that god is good.

IF we took it as a given that we cannot judge god, then there is no way of determining
if god is good or evil.

Originally posted by RBHILL
He could've stopped the crucifixion! But did he no!

Not only did he not stop it, he initiated it.

Engineered it, if you will.

Originally posted by Great King Rat
Not only did he not stop it, he initiated it.

Engineered it, if you will.

It is to teach you the evil of sin. If God stopped it, we might never come to realize that all humans need to repent of our sin. Some people need more convincing than others.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Of course!

Putting man and God on the same scale of justice is ridiculous.

Why exactly?
Even if a god existed why shouldn't he/she/it be subject to justice?

edit: whoops. GF has done a better job on this Q than I.

Originally posted by googlefudge
[if god existed]

Yes we can. Period.

Morality is objective, and actions and consequences can be weighted by anyone.
God/s have no get out of jail free card by simply being more powerful.
Might does not make right.


EDIT: Also, on the same note.

If we cannot judge god to be bad then you cannot judge god to be good.

Unless you claim that ...[text shortened]... a given that we cannot judge god, then there is no way of determining
if god is good or evil.

Jesus is the judge and he tells us that God is good.