Spirituality
06 Jul 17
08 Jul 17
Originally posted by SuzianneI am not casting stones, although God's punishment for homosexuality was stoning to death.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Do you think you qualify?
I am identifying sin as sin. Do you disagree and believe that homosexuality is not inherently sinful?
As for the scripture about casting stines, what is it that Jesus said to the woman?
08 Jul 17
Originally posted by EladarWith nothing in scripture do I disagree, I may find it disagreeable, but I do not disagree.
1 Corinthians 5
It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? 3 For my part, even though I am not physically pre ...[text shortened]... side. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”[d]
Any disagreement with what I bolded?[/b]
So if you know anyone who watches porn, do you treat them the same way you are with
going on about with Suzi? Anyone you know who looks at someone else same sex or
the other sex and lusts for them, do you treat them the same way too?
I'm not at all disagreeing with scripture, but I do know each of us will give an account
to God for every word we speak, every deed we do. None of us should put stumbling
blocks in front of others, it isn't the harshness of God that draws us to Him, but His
loving kindness.
He will not accept us if we choose sin over Him, but if we turn to Him we can be saved.
Originally posted by KellyJayLifestyle choice. Accepting the sin into your life is the key here I believe.
With nothing in scripture do I disagree, I may find it disagreeable, but I do not disagree.
So if you know anyone who watches porn, do you treat them the same way you are with
going on about with Suzi? Anyone you know who looks at someone else same sex or
the other sex and lusts for them, do you treat them the same way too?
I'm not at all disagreeing ...[text shortened]... ness.
He will not accept us if we choose sin over Him, but if we turn to Him we can be saved.
Everyone sins, but not everyone calls sin acceptable behavior.
So porn, if embraced and accepted then yes reject that brother or sister.
08 Jul 17
Originally posted by EladarI wasn't saved until I was 25 years old, I wasn't raised in a church, I didn't grow up
Lifestyle choice. Accepting the sin into your life is the key here I believe.
Everyone sins, but not everyone calls sin acceptable behavior.
So porn, if embraced and accepted then yes reject that brother or sister.
knowing anything about the Lord. When I became a Christian, I continued to do
somethings I now know are wrong, and God got me through it all. There isn't anyone here
He cannot save, and His process in doing that, with some with respect to turning us
around could last awhile, or it could happen in a short time. I'm not going to condemn
anyone, instead preach the good news that God loves them where they are and that He
does except us to repent from our evil ways, be they sexual, or have to do with pride, or
hate, anything that would divide us from God and each other.
08 Jul 17
Originally posted by KellyJayDo you believe that condemning is what Paul instructed Christians to do when a brother or sister embraces a sinful lifestyle?
I wasn't saved until I was 25 years old, I wasn't raised in a church, I didn't grow up
knowing anything about the Lord. When I became a Christian, I continued to do
somethings I now know are wrong, and God got me through it all. There isn't anyone here
He cannot save, and His process in doing that, with some with respect to turning us
around could last ...[text shortened]... xual, or have to do with pride, or
hate, anything that would divide us from God and each other.
08 Jul 17
Originally posted by EladarI mean I don't want to condemn anyone, I agree with you about scripture and sin, God
I was just trying to clarify what you mean by condemn.
does not accept sin. I do believe we live in a world filled with sinners, and I also agree we
cannot let sin corrupt the church, that said all of us can fall, all of us come up short. So I
do not condemn anyone, I'll let God do that when He judges us. There is hope while we
are here, once we leave here we have made all the choices we get to towards accepting
Christ and following him, or not.
08 Jul 17
Originally posted by KellyJaySeems that you disagree with Paul about expelling the immoral brother and having nothing to do with him until he repents.
I mean I don't want to condemn anyone, I agree with you about scripture and sin, God
does not accept sin. I do believe we live in a world filled with sinners, and I also agree we
cannot let sin corrupt the church, that said all of us can fall, all of us come up short. So I
do not condemn anyone, I'll let God do that when He judges us. There is hope while ...[text shortened]... here we have made all the choices we get to towards accepting
Christ and following him, or not.
Seems like you are saying have the church expell at the corprate level but continue to interact at the personal level.
08 Jul 17
Originally posted by EladarYou can accuse me of anything you want, did I say I disagree with Paul, did I say anything
Seems that you disagree with Paul about expelling the immoral brother and having nothing to do with him until he repents.
Seems like you are saying have the church expell at the corprate level but continue to interact at the personal level.
near that?
It "seems" like you are dead set on finding a fault...keep looking I have plenty.
08 Jul 17
Originally posted by KellyJayI am just letting you know what I am seeing you say. In application you can't recognize Suzi as a wilf in sheep's clothing. Her kind of Christianity says that sin isn't sin because no one is perfect.
You can accuse me of anything you want, did I say I disagree with Paul, did I say anything
near that?
It "seems" like you are dead set on finding a fault...keep looking I have plenty.
Originally posted by EladarWell no one is perfect, in that she and I agree, and I agree with you. God hates sin, it kills
I am just letting you know what I am seeing you say. In application you can't recognize Suzi as a wilf in sheep's clothing. Her kind of Christianity says that sin isn't sin because no one is perfect.
us, it ruins our lives, it weakens us, and it separates us from God and mankind. There is
nothing good about it.
With respect to what you are seeing....what do you want from me? I'm not going to alter
my view that since Jesus died for all of us as we are, sinners...that I'm going to condemn
anyone in this life, because I hope Jesus gets them saved not because they deserve it,
but because He deserves them.
Do I hate sin, yes...someone who throws their sins in my face I'll walk away from, not go
to their home, and so on, there are times for all of that. One of the things I've found in my
life that some sins take a lot of effort to repent from, the pull, drag, the body can scream
for what it wants, be it drugs, food, sex and so on. The battles that some are going
through are just that battles, and how they cope and deal with them all is on them. For me
even knowing the truth some of my struggles took a lot of prayer and effort, but with the
Lord I was able to over come them. Still working on other parts of my life, I try to lead with
grace not condemnation, it was God's love that won me over, not someone condemning
my life.
08 Jul 17
Sin separates us from God, at least for those who choose to live in perpetual rebellion to God.
You are doing a disservice to thise you see in sin choosing to ignore it.
You seem to embrace societal values here over Biblical instruction. This in itself is a sin, knowing what to do but refusing to do it.
08 Jul 17
Originally posted by EladarWhere did you see me say I ignore sin?
Sin separates us from God, at least for those who choose to live in perpetual rebellion to God.
You are doing a disservice to thise you see in sin choosing to ignore it.
You seem to embrace societal values here over Biblical instruction. This in itself is a sin, knowing what to do but refusing to do it.
You "seem" to see a lot of things, be they there or not.
If you want to right me off, do so, don't make things up to feel justified, you really don't need a reason.
Just say you don't like my views, me, whatever, and move on, I don't care.
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Sometimes Christians can get into a mode of "Who hates sin the more?"
This is something like:
"Well I can out hate sin more than you."
"No, I can out hate sin more than you. "
What Christians really need is the love of LIVING Christ.
The wrath of man doesn't work the righteousness of God.
And death is something God hates as well as sin.
The Christian's mind set on the flesh is death.
If that flesh is good, cultural, and right it can still be spiritual death.
The mind set on the spirit [where the Spirit of Jesus is in the believer] is divine life and peace. We need to live Christ. We need to learn to allow Christ to live out from and through us.
Just "out hating" sin only in competition with each other is not of much use to the building up of His Body.