Originally posted by @thinkofoneOf course, just once, you could answer the question.
DG just likes to follow me around from thread to thread asking the same off-topic question over and over again.
He said he derives enjoyment when I ignore him. I can only take him at his word.
Evidently the enjoyment that he derives IS the point.
Seems pretty senseless to me too, but who am I to deny him that enjoyment?
(To call it 'off-topic' is truly comical).
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Originally posted by @mister-moggySame thing goes for science just because a scientist says he does it and it came the past doesn’t mean he really did it he could just fake it just for money.
just because something is written on a page does not mean it happened, or that it was not exagerated or that was not added to entirely.
if the words on a written page were proof of a fact then the holy koran or the book of mormon would also be the gospel truth.
Originally posted by @suzianneYou might be the only half-way rational Christian who posts on this forum, but then you make posts like this.
Why do you think that "the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry" needs to be backed up by spam? You've posted that same bit now what? 10 times in various threads? Apparently, you think more of your OWN words than those of Jesus.
Did you not understand that my response was to address the following question from KJ?
<<Why would you trust anything in scripture if you can just blow off who and what you don’t like?>>
Did you not understand that when I wrote the following it was because I was surprised that KJ felt a need to ask the question?
<<'ve posted the following or something similar many a time, but I'll post it again. You've never seen it before? >>
Apparently, you think more of your OWN words than those of Jesus.
How does this make any logical sense?
Originally posted by @thinkofoneBelieve in Jesus as the only begotten Son of God, and everything makes sense.
You might be the only half-way rational Christian who posts on this forum, but then you make posts like this.
Did you not understand that my response was to address the following question from KJ?
<<Why would you trust anything in scripture if you can just blow off who and what you don’t like?>>
Did you not understand that when I wrote the followi ...[text shortened]... u think more of your OWN words than those of Jesus.
How does this make any logical sense?[/b]
Believing only in your own position, and not in He who actually said those words, is the height of ignorance. No wonder it doesn't make sense to you.
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Originally posted by @suzianneBelieve in Jesus as the only begotten Son of God, and everything makes sense.
Believe in Jesus as the only begotten Son of God, and everything makes sense.
Believing only in your own position, and not in He who actually said those words, is the height of ignorance. No wonder it doesn't make sense to you.
Only if you ignore the words spoken by Jesus during His ministry
Believing only in your own position, and not in He who actually said those words, is the height of ignorance.
I've yet to come across a Christian who believes the words spoken by Jesus during His ministry. Considering that Christianity has the doctrine of Paul as its foundation, its no real surprise.
No wonder it doesn't make sense to you.
Actually I was speaking of what YOU wrote. Reread my post.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneFor one who picks and chooses which scripture is valid and which are not, then you suggest others are ignoring text is sad and hypocritical don’t you think? Ift is what you are all about, attempting to beat up others with a book you reject in whole.
[b]Believe in Jesus as the only begotten Son of God, and everything makes sense.
Only if you ignore the words spoken by Jesus during His ministry
Believing only in your own position, and not in He who actually said those words, is the height of ignorance.
I've yet to come across a Christian who believes the words spoken by Jesus dur ...[text shortened]... it doesn't make sense to you.[/b]
Actually I was speaking of what YOU wrote. Reread my post.[/b]
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Originally posted by @mister-moggyNow if you think Paul was given to telling exaggerated sensational tall tales may be you could solve a problem for me.
i don't think paul heard or saw jesus on the road to damascus.
i think he had an epileptic fit. an epileptic fit can cause both temporary blindness and hearing voices.
paul saw a bright light, went blind for three days and heard voices. anything else added to the story i believe is exageration.
In his autobiographical Second Corinthian letter he reluctantly related his superb supernatural visions. But he seems to have kept these private to himself for fourteen years.
By contrast many sensational TV preachers cannot WAIT to tell you what they had happen to them (allegedly) even a few days ago.
Here Paul says he kept something to himself alone for fourteen YEARS.
"To boast is necessary, though indeed not expedient; yet I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago (whether in the body I do not know, or outside the body I do not know; God knows) such a one was caught away to the third heaven.
And I know such a man (whether in the body or outside the body, I do not know; God knows), That he was caught away into Paradise and heard unspeakable words, which it i is not allowed for a man to speak.
On behalf of such a one I will boast, but on behalf of myself I will not boast, except in my weaknesses. " (Second Corinthians 12:1-5)
Does this sound like a man given to sensational experiences which he cannot WAIT to brag about? Sounds like he is pretty self disciplined to me, considering WHAT would be helpful to pass on and what is better kept private.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneThe 'ministry of Jesus' is the basis of Christianity.
[b]Believe in Jesus as the only begotten Son of God, and everything makes sense.
Only if you ignore the words spoken by Jesus during His ministry
Believing only in your own position, and not in He who actually said those words, is the height of ignorance.
I've yet to come across a Christian who believes the words spoken by Jesus dur ...[text shortened]... it doesn't make sense to you.[/b]
Actually I was speaking of what YOU wrote. Reread my post.[/b]
Faith and follow. The two are equal and the two are the basis of Christianity, whether it fits your agenda to say so, or not.
One MUST believe, and one must translate that faith into action. Either, without the other, is dead. The thing is that one follows the other. Can you guess which must come first? NONE of the Acts of the Apostles would have been carried out had they not believed in Jesus the Christ as the Son of God, the one who defeated Death through His faith.
It's not rocket science.
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Originally posted by @suzianneThe 'ministry of Jesus' is the basis of Christianity.
The 'ministry of Jesus' is the basis of Christianity.
Faith and follow. The two are equal and the two are the basis of Christianity, whether it fits your agenda to say so, or not.
One MUST believe, and one must translate that faith into action. Either, without the other, is dead. The thing is that one follows the other. Can you guess which must c ...[text shortened]... ist as the Son of God, the one who defeated Death through His faith.
It's not rocket science.
The reality is the doctrine of Paul is the foundation of Christianity rather than the doctrine preached by Jesus during His ministry. You should consider that IF the foundation of Christianity WERE the doctrine preached by Jesus during His ministry, no Christians would be Trump supporters.
One MUST believe, and one must translate that faith into action.
When Jesus was preaching His gospel He used the terms "believe Him" and "believe in Him" essentially in three different ways: 1) Believe that He has the authority to speak the word of God
2) Believe that His words are the word of God
3) Believe His words in and of themselves.
Jesus did NOT use them to mean to believe in the "redemptive work on the cross for salvation" or what have you.