Originally posted by @suzianneI agree. Aside from Christianity, would you say this about Islam and Judaism as religions as well?
I do not agree that this describes the religion. Some people who claim to practice said religion and then do their best to foster hate and division? Then, yes, I can agree with that.
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Originally posted by @fmfProbably, as well as many 'non-religionists'. People are people. Jerks come in all forms.
I agree. Aside from Christianity, would you say this about Islam and Judaism as religions as well?
Ahh, wait, I get what you're asking.
Yes, I would say it about Judaism and Islam. Jesus himself was a faithful Jew. Unfortunately, I consider Islam a false religion. That being said, I know many Muslims and they are fine people. They are blessed by their faith, as are Christians, in that it enables them to lead a fulfilling, even a righteous, life. But it is a religion created wholly by one man, who was not a prophet of God. But the religion itself does not 'foster' hate and division, no. People can be 'ignorant and hateful', but not a religion. This is what I was originally aiming at, that people can be jerks, but not the religion.
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Originally posted by @suzianneSurely in terms of Jesus, Islam is much, much closer to Christianity than Judaism. And with so much of that Abrahamic OT stuff forming the foundation of Islam just as it does the other two religions, I don't see how you can say it was a religion "created wholly by one man".
Probably, as well as many 'non-religionists'. People are people. Jerks come in all forms.
Ahh, wait, I get what you're asking.
Yes, I would say it about Judaism and Islam. Jesus himself was a faithful Jew. Unfortunately, I consider Islam a false religion. That being said, I know many Muslims and they are fine people. They are blessed by their f ...[text shortened]... on.
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Originally posted by @fmfHow in your opinion is Islam much closer to Christianity than Judaism, in terms of Jesus?
Surely in terms of Jesus, Islam is much, much closer to Christianity than Judaism. And with so much of that Abrahamic OT stuff forming the foundation of Islam just as it does the other two religions, I don't see how you can say it was a religion "created wholly by one man".
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Originally posted by @fmfIslam was fabricated by one man, the author of the Qur'an. He was not a prophet. Yes, I know that the Muslims believe he is, and that is their faith. But you asked me the question, not a Muslim.
Surely in terms of Jesus, Islam is much, much closer to Christianity than Judaism. And with so much of that Abrahamic OT stuff forming the foundation of Islam just as it does the other two religions, I don't see how you can say it was a religion "created wholly by one man".
Naturally, it has a foundation stemming from Abraham, yes, but it became twisted away from Judaism right from the beginning of the tale. Judaism followed from Isaac, while Islam made Ishmael the hero. If this error was not made up before Mohammed and just passed down the generations, or if it was made up by Mohammed himself, I do not know, but Mohammed did institutionalize the error in his writing, and it became 'holy fact' because it was in the Qur'an, so that Islam got its start as a kind of 'anti-Judaism'.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerLook up who Jesus is according to Islam. He's an absolutely key figure. In Judaism, Jesus is seen as a fraud and a dangerous imposter figure.
How in your opinion is Islam much closer to Christianity than Judaism, in terms of Jesus?
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Originally posted by @fmfBut neither considers Jesus to be the Son of God, nor does either believe in the resurrection, which is kind of the entire point.
Look up who Jesus is according to Islam. He's an absolutely key figure. In Judaism, Jesus is seen as a fraud and a dangerous imposter figure.
But you are correct, as the Qur'an states that Jesus was without sin, and performed many miracles, and was raised alive to Heaven.
I also understand that Jesus is the single most mentioned person in the Qur'an.
Originally posted by @suzianneThe Jews think Jesus was an imposter. The Muslims think the Jesus story got misinterpreted and misunderstood.
But neither considers Jesus to be the Son of God, nor does either believe in the resurrection, which is kind of the entire point.
But you are correct, as the Qur'an states that Jesus was without sin, and performed many miracles, and was raised alive to Heaven.
I also understand that Jesus is the single most mentioned person in the Qur'an.