Respect

Originally posted by @fmf
Look up who Jesus is according to Islam. He's an absolutely key figure. In Judaism, Jesus is seen as a fraud and a dangerous imposter figure.

In which Jewish holy book is Jesus mentioned as a fraud and an imposter?

Originally posted by @suzianne
But neither considers Jesus to be the Son of God, nor does either believe in the resurrection, which is kind of the entire point.

But you are correct, as the Qur'an states that Jesus was without sin, and performed many miracles, and was raised alive to Heaven.

I also understand that Jesus is the single most mentioned person in the Qur'an.

Not quite.

Jesus gets a mention 25 times, but this is exceeded by the prophet Musa who gets 135 mentions and Prophet Ibrahim 67 mentions.

If we're counting...

Originally posted by @kellyjay
People look for ways to justify themselves for a lot of things they do, from time to time they use religion. You it it appears to me just likes being insulting.

You will suffer eternity in HELL for not believing as I do. You're a nice person, though, lots of people love you.

Originally posted by @apathist
You will suffer eternity in HELL for not believing as I do. You're a nice person, though, lots of people love you.

BS, I am not that important. You find yourself in front of God in your sins, you will be held accountable.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
BS, I am not that important. You find yourself in front of God in your sins, you will be held accountable.

Which God ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_deities

https://www.britannica.com/topic-browse/Religion/Spiritual-Beings-and-Deities

http://pagan.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Deities

Let's look at that last one again:

GodsEdit
CelticEdit
IrishEdit

Angus
Belenos
Brigid - Sun/Fire Goddess of inspiration, midwifery, blacksmithing and much more.
Dana
Lugh - God of the sun
Dagd
Epona - goddess of horses and fertility.
Manannán mac Lir - God of the sea
Kel - Goddess of wells, springs and agriculture
Morgan: goddess of war

GreekEdit

Aphrodite – Goddess of beauty; one of the twelve Olympians

Apollo – God of poetry, music, and the sun and the prophecy; an Olympian
Ares – God of war; an Olympian straight savage
Artemis – Goddess of the hunt and of of the moon; an Olympian
Athena – Goddess of wisdom, defensive war, and Athens; an Olympian
Demeter – Goddess of the harvest and of nature, often considered an Olympian
Dionysus – God of wine, he took Hestia's place as an Olympian
Eris – Goddess of discord
Eos – Goddess of the dawn
Gaia – Primordial Goddess of earth, and mother of the Titans
Hades – God of the underworld, often considered an Olympian
Hecate – Goddess of Witchcraft and crossroads
Helios – God who drives of the sun: a primordial
Hephaestus – God of smiths and fire; an Olympian
Hera – Chief Goddess of the pantheon and Goddess of marriage; an Olympian
Hermes – The messenger of the Greek Gods; an Olympian
Hestia – Goddess of the hearth who gave up seat at Olympus to Dionysus
Pan – God of shepherds
Poseidon – God of the sea and the Father of horses; an Olympian
Selene – Goddess who drives the moon;a Primordial
Thanatos- The god of death
Uranus – Primordial god of the heavens, and father of the Titans
Zeus – God of sky and air; chief Olympian
Morpheus – God of dreams, and Olympian

Anglo-SaxonEdit

Elves - local spirits of the land.
Eostre- Goddess of April.
Frigg - Goddess of the Earth.
Hretha- Goddess of March.
Saxnot- God of the English.
Shef- God of the corn harvest.
Thunor - God of Thunder.
Tir - God of war
Weyland- God of smiths.
Woden - God of royalty, healing and magic.

NorseEdit

Asgard - home to the Æsir tribe of God's.
Alfar
Balder – God of beauty, innocence, joy, peace and purity; Son of Odin.
Beyla (f) - Goddess of bees or cattle (Norse).
Bil (f) - Goddess of the moon.
Bragi – God of poetry.
Byggvir (m) - God of Barley.
Dagr (m) - God of the day.
Disir - local female goddesses or female ancestors (Norse).
Eir (f) - Goddess of healing.
Fenrir - Wolf God of Destruction, and Ragnorak(Norse Armageddon)
Forseti (m) - God of justice.
Freyja / Freya (f) - Goddess of love domestic skills and magic.
Freyr – God of fertility and love.
Frigga (f) - Goddess of women domestic skills and wisdom.
Heimdall – The guardian of the Norse deities.
Hel – Queen of Helheim, the Norse underworld.
Hoenir (m) - God of reason.
Idunn (f) - Goddess of apples and immortality.
Jord (f) - Earth Goddess.
Lofn (f) - Goddess of thwarted lovers.
Loki – The Norse trickster god.
Mani (m) - God of the moon.
Njord (m) - God of the coast and wealth.
Norns (f) - The three goddesses of fate Verdandi Urd and Skuld (Norse).
Nott (f) - Goddess of night.
Odin – God of the hunt, of magic, poetry, victory war, and wisdom.
Ran (f) - Goddess of the drowned.
Saga (f) - Goddess of wisdom.
Sif (f) - Goddess of kinship.
Siofn (f) - Goddess of love.
Skadi (f) - Goddess of skiing and mountains.
Snotra (f) - Goddess of wisdom.
Sol (f) - Goddess of the sun.
Syn (f) - Goddess of protection.
Ull (m) - God of skiing, hunting and combat.
Thor – God of thunder.
Tyr – God of battle and warfare.
Var (f) - Goddess of Oaths (Norse).
Vali (m) - God of vengence (Norse).
Vidar (m) - God of Strength (Norse).
Vor (f) - Goddess of hidden knowledge.

English FolksEdit

Black Shuck East Anglian dog spirit.
Herne (m) - Hunter spirit of Windsor.
Jack in the Green (m) - May day fertility spirit.

Deutsch/ DutchEdit

Holda (f) - Goddess of winter, weather, textiles and fertility
Nehalennia (f) - Goddess of Seafaring & Fertility (German/Dutch).
Nerthus (f) - Goddess of the Earth (German/Danish).

LusitanianEdit

Endovelicus (m) - A Solar God with many faces, the supreme head God, god of dreams/visions and health.
Ataegina (f) - The goddess of health, the moon, and rebirth (a significant theme in their religion).
Runesocesius (m) - A god of mystery and martial skills, the god of the javelin.

RomanEdit

Apollo – God of the sun, music, and poetry
Bellona - Goddess of war
Bacchus – God of wine
Ceres – Goddess of the harvest
Cupid – God of love
Diana – Goddess of the hunt
Janus – Two-headed god of beginnings and endings
Juno – The chief Goddess of the Roman pantheon; Goddess of marriage
Jupiter – The chief god; God of the sky
Maia – The "good Goddess", Goddess of spring
Mars – God of war
Mercury – The messenger of the Roman Gods
Minerva – Goddess of wisdom and civilization
Neptune – God of the sea
Pluto – God of the underworld
Plutus – God of wealth
Proserpina – Queen of the underworld
Venus – Goddess of beauty
Vesta – Goddess of the hearth
Vulcan – God of the forge

ArmenianEdit

Anahit – Goddess of Fertility, Healing, Wisdom and Water
Aramazd - King of the Gods, God of the Sun, Air and Sky
Astghik - Goddess of Love, Beauty and Water Springs
Mihr - God of Light and Wisdom
Nane - Goddess of War
Tir - God of Writing and Interpreter of Dreams
Tsovinar - Goddess of the Sea, Water and Rain
Vahagn – God of War, Lightning and Dragon-Slaying

UrartianEdit

Haldi – God of War, Supreme God of the Urartian pantheon
Arubani - Goddess of Fertility and Art

Slavic Edit

Belobog – God of the sun, light, hope and goodwill.
Chernobog - Cursed God of darkness, destruction and loss. Brother of Belobog.
Morana - Goddess of Harvest, Witchcraft, Winter and Death.
Indibog - God of balance, father of the all seeing eye, the decoder of light and darkness

Deities of oriental, mystery religions and Roman imperial cultsEdit

Attis
Cybele
El-Gabal
Isis
Mithras
Sol Invictus
Endovelicus

Zev

god of everything.

EgyptianEdit

Anhur, God of War, Sky Bearer
Anubis, God of Embalming, Prosecutor of the Dead
The Aten, the embodiment of the Sun's rays
Atum, a creator deity
Bast, Goddess of Cats
Bes, God-Demon of Protection, Childbirth and Entertainment
Geb, God of the Earth
Hapi God of the Nile and Fertility
Hathor, Goddess of Love and Music
Heget Goddess of Childbirth
Horus the falcon-headed god, King of gods
Imhotep God of wisdom, medicine and magic
Isis, Goddess of Magic, sister of Nephthys
Khepry, the scarab beetle, the embodiment of the dawn
Khnum, a creator deity
Khonsu, God of the Moon
Maahes
Ma'at, Goddess of Truth, Balance and Order
Menhit
Mont, god of war
Naunet, the primal waters
Neith, the great mother goddess, goddess of war
Nephthys, mother of Anubis
Nut, goddess of heaven and the sky
Osiris, God of death
Ptah, a creator deity
Ra, the sun God
Sekhmnet, goddess of war and battles
Sobek, Crocodile God
Set, God of Storms, possible father of Anubis
Shu, god of the wind and air
Tefnut, goddess of order, justice, time, Heaven and Hell and weather
Thoth, god of the moon, drawing, writing, geometry, wisdom, medicine, music, astronomy, and magic

Mesopotamian/SumerianEdit

An - Sumerian
Anshar - father of heaven
Anu - the god of the highest heaven
Apsu - the ruler of gods and underworld oceans
Ashur - national god of the Assyrians
Damkina - Earth mother goddess
Ea - god of wisdom
Enki
Enlil - god of weather and storms
Ereshkigal - Goddess of the Underworld
Ninurta - god of war
Hadad - weather god
Inanna
Ishtar - goddess of love
Kingu - husband of Tiamat
Kishar - father of earth
Marduk - national god of the Babylonians
Mummu - god of mists
Nabu - god of the scribal arts
Nammu
Nanna
Nergal - Ereshkigal's husband and Lord of the Underworld
Ninhursag
Ninlil
Nintu - mother of all gods
Shamash - god of the sun and of justice
Sin - moon god
Tiamat - dragon goddess
Utu

PersianEdit

Mitra/Mithra

Semitic Edit

Baal
Dagon
Asherah
El
Nikkal
Yareha
Moloch
Anat
Kothar-Wa-Khasis
Yam

AsiaEdit
Chinese Edit

Tsai Shen Yeh - God of Wealth and Fortune

JapanesesEdit

Amaterasu – Goddess of the sun
Susanoo- God of Storms
Tsukiyomi- God of the Moon
Inari- God of Foxes
Tengu- Minor deities (kami) of Mountains
Izanami- Goddess of Death, Uncleanliness and the Underworld. Also the first goddess
Izanagi- First god
The Shichifukujin- Seven Gods of Good Fortune
Daikoku- God of Wealth, commerce and trade
Ebisu- God of Fishers and Merchants
Benzaiten- Goddess of eloquence, music, art and beauty
Bishamonten- God of Warriors
Fukurokuju- God of Longevity, Happiness and Wealth
Jurojin- God of Longevity
Hotei- God of Abundance and Good Health

South AmericaEdit
AztecEdit

Xochiquetzal

Quetzalcoatl
...

Originally posted by @apathist
Which God ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_deities

https://www.britannica.com/topic-browse/Religion/Spiritual-Beings-and-Deities

http://pagan.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Deities

Let's look at that last one again:

GodsEdit
CelticEdit
IrishEdit

Angus
Belenos
Brigid - Sun/Fire Goddess of inspiration, midwifery, blacksmithi ...[text shortened]... and Good Health

South AmericaEdit
AztecEdit

Xochiquetzal

Quetzalcoatl
...

There’s only One and non-beside Him. Which is why they don’t matter.

Hey people, I'm not posting for a couple of weeks.

I'm not ignoring you or dead 🙂


Cheers Charlie

Originally posted by @kellyjay
There’s only One and non-beside Him. Which is why they don’t matter.

But according to the bible lots of other gods exist.
There are plenty of references to them.

You picking a particular god is just the same as picking a baseball team to support.
(Or not being bothered by baseball)

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Not quite.

Jesus gets a mention 25 times, but this is exceeded by the prophet Musa who gets 135 mentions and Prophet Ibrahim 67 mentions.

If we're counting...

According to Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam

"In Islam, ʿĪsā ibn Maryam (Arabic: عيسى بن مريم‎, lit. 'Jesus, son of Mary' ), or Jesus, is understood to be the penultimate prophet and messenger of God (Allah) and al-Masih, the Arabic term for Messiah (Christ), sent to guide the Children of Israel (banī isrā'īl in Arabic) with a new revelation: al-Injīl (Arabic for "the Gospel" ). Jesus is believed to be a prophet who neither married nor had any children and is reflected as a significant figure, being found in the Quran in 93 ayaat (Arabic for verses) with various titles attached such as "Son of Mary" and other relational terms, mentioned directly and indirectly, over 187 times. Jesus is the most mentioned person in the Quran; 25 times by the name Isa, third-person 48 times, first-person 35 times, and the rest as titles and attributes."

If we're counting...

Originally posted by @apathist
Which God ?

When a Christian speaks of 'God' (big G God, not little g god), he is speaking of the God of Abraham, the God of the Hebrews, the God of the Bible.

I'm guessing you know and understand this, but just want to obfuscate.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
In which Jewish holy book is Jesus mentioned as a fraud and an imposter?

I was talking about what Jews believe. Have you ever discussed Jesus with Jews?

Originally posted by @fmf
I was talking about what Jews believe. Have you ever discussed Jesus with Jews?

Not wanting to put the Jewish perception of Jesus into a nutshell, but at its root they do not consider Jesus as having fulfilled the messianic prophecies from the OT, hence was not the messiah. A Christian will of course come along and explain that all the outstanding prophecies (unite humanity as one, and the like) will be delivered in the second coming, though will struggle to find biblical support for this concept.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Not wanting to put the Jewish perception of Jesus into a nutshell, but at its root they do not consider Jesus as having fulfilled the messianic prophecies from the OT, hence was not the messiah. A Christian will of course come along and explain that all the outstanding prophecies (unite humanity as one, and the like) will be delivered in the second coming, though will struggle to find biblical support for this concept.

You don't find a single God in scripture, but more than one, so your struggles with some
doctrine is not surprising, since you can miss one of the most important things in scripture.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
You don't find a single God in scripture, but more than one, so your struggles with some
doctrine is not surprising, since you can miss one of the most important things in scripture.

I was explaining the Jewish concept of Jesus Kelly.

I'm not Jewish.

(One God? So, Jesus 'was' talking to himself on the cross? )

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
I was explaining the Jewish concept of Jesus Kelly.

I'm not Jewish.

(One God? So, Jesus 'was' talking to himself on the cross? )

You were not speaking of Jewish Christians, I guess you and a few others forget that the
first Christians were Jewish alone. You don't grasp scripture, God, or who Jesus is either,
and no Jesus was no talking to Himself.