The god who burns people alive for eternity

@philokalia said
I do not think that that post means that he presides over the totality of hell and is present throughout it. So, I do not think the verse actually corresponds precisely to your statement.

One more question for you...

Is it possible for someone to say "I don't know" and to be treated with respect? Is that an option to respectfully plead ignorance? Keep in mind, the measure that you set for others is the measure that will be applied to you.

@divegeester

Simple stuff philokalia, straightforward questions with no tricks. I just require your honesty.

Now if you are a saved man and turn out to be basically wrong that God does eternally punish the un-reconciled somewhere away from Himself, will you request that you want to be with them?

@kellyjay said
One step at a time, your claim was that love would not mean eternal punishment. My question to you is since you connected the two, can love over look at crime. Don't jump to punishment, if love can ignore wrongs done why bother with the idea of punishment?

@kellyjay said
Feelings of men who ended up getting cut in half, crucified upside down, beheaded, and so on? How about we stick to the question at hand, you made a statement, I asked a question. You linked love with eternal punishment; my question is can love overlook crime and act like it didn't happen? I gave the business man's son, who was embezzling as an example. If someone loves you, ...[text shortened]... tion to love has to be addressed first since you applied that as what makes the sentence impossible.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Kelly, even if love 'couldn't' overlook a crime, nothing could justify such a disproportionate punishment. A father, who loves his child, may rightly punish that child for wrong doing, but only then so that the child would learn from the experience and change their behaviour. What a loving father would not do is punish that child with eternal torment. What we have then is unabashed cruelty.

“Verily I say unto you, All their sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they shall have blasphemed: but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin: because they say, ‘He has an unclean spirit’” (Mark 3:28-29).

'There cannot be eternal suffering, ' you say. Will there not be eternal sinning among the lost? Is God obliged to stay the endless flow of sin from the lips and acts of the lost? ' You admit then, that it would be unjust in God to inflict eternal suffering solely because of men's past acts on earth. ' By no means! I account sin as infinite.
The sentiment, that eternal punishment is unjust, comes from a partial judge. It is man, leaning toward his own race beyond what is just. It is a sinner inwardly bribed to give a verdict on behalf of sinners. It is a set of felons pretending to condemn the laws against felony. It is one-sided - intense appreciation of pain ; but light appreciation of sin and its deserts. It is the sentiment of the ignorant. The best little apprehend the holiness of God. It is the result of a heart that is "deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked." (Jer. 17)

@sonship said
The implication to me is that in principle, men can cross over a line of no return. And in putting themselves beyond remedy forever offending will be met with forever divine reaction.

@sonship said
Then how do we know that nature of the non-living yet existing soul cannot pour forth perpetual offending God's laws, frozen in that state of rebellion forever? Worse yet, how do we know they might get worse and worse until they are conformed completely to the character of their leader - Satan?

@sonship said
The saved are ever and ever conformed to the image of Christ. It could be that the lost are sucked up into likeness of their leader - the punished Devil - Satan - the irreconcilable rebel.

@sonship said
I asked that it be shown in the bible that physical death means non-existence. I was never shown that as far as I remember.

@FMF

To your three questions and to others you have for me, you have stated in the past that it doesn't matter to you one way or the other. I take that on your word.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Kelly, even if love 'couldn't' overlook a crime, nothing could justify such a disproportionate punishment. A father, who loves his child, may rightly punish that child for wrong doing, but only then so that the child would learn from the experience and change their behaviour. What a loving father would not do is punish that child with eternal torment. What we have then is unabashed cruelty.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
So you retract the unfounded name-calling accusation?!

-Removed-

@sonship said
@FMF

To your three questions and to others you have for me, you have stated in the past that it doesn't matter to you one way or the other. I take that on your word.