The importance of the Trinity is also the importance of the oneness of the church.
The ultimate oneness of the church which Christ said He would build is intrinsically related to the oneness of the divine trinity.
If the church was only a matter of many individuals receiving individual blessings then this may not seem important. Man's individual needs are met - "Good enough" most of us might say.
But God has a need. And the need of God is that He build Himself into a corporate group of saved ones and build them into Himself. The Triune God is important for this need of God to manifest Himself in this corporate entity in utter oneness.
This is on the Lord Jesus' heart in His mighty prayer in John 17.
"And I do not ask concerning these only, but concerning those also who believe into Me through their word.
That they all may be one; even as You Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us; that the world may believe that You have sent Me.
And the glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, even as We are one.
I in them, and You in Me, that they may be perfected into one, that the world may know that You have sent Me and have loved them even as You have loved Me." (John 17:20-23)
The Trinity is vitally related to the oneness of the church and the incorporation of God into man for His manifestation of the blending of divinity with humanity.
@sonship saidPity it's an over-intellectualized retrofit.
The importance of the Trinity is also the importance of the oneness of the church.
The ultimate oneness of the church which Christ said He would build is intrinsically related to the oneness of the divine trinity.
If the church was only a matter of many individuals receiving individual blessings then this may not seem important. Man's individual needs are met - "Good ...[text shortened]... d the incorporation of God into man for His manifestation of the blending of divinity with humanity.
-Removed-You said ... he is the exact physical representation of the father and the fullness of the father is in him. and I agree.
Madame Tussauds has done some exact physical representations of many people. If you want to see Queen Elizabeth just look at MTs wax model of her, They are physically identical.
The fullness of the Godhead also dwells in Jesus Christ, but Jesus the Son, is still a separate and distinct entity from the Father.
@rajk999 saidHence John 14:28:
The fullness of the Godhead also dwells in Jesus Christ, but Jesus the Son, is still a separate and distinct entity from the Father.
“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThe trinitarian will say:
Hence John 14:28:
“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."
... I am going to myself and I am greater than me ... hey and if you cannot understand that then you dont have the Holy Spirit ... lol
The importance of the Triune God to the oneness of the New Jerusalem with God is not only seen in John 17. From the first pages of whole revelation of God His mysterious nature is hinted at.
Because the same God from the beginning knew His eternal purpose involved His three-oneness.
"And God said, Let Us . . . make man in Our . . . image, according to . . . OUR . . . likeness; . . .
And God created man in . . . His own image . . . in the image of God He . . . created him . . . " (See Gen 1:26,27)
Some will see that far from the Triune God being an anticlimax, pitiful afterthought, or retrofit matter - FROM the beginning of the creation by God of man, His nature was revealed.
Christ, we are eventually told "is the image of the invisible God" (Col. 1:15; 2 Cor. 4:4) .
Man was made according to what Christ is showing that Christs coming was more than remedial.
He was in the heart of God before incarnation as the template after which God caused man to exist in the first place.
Marvelous!
@rajk999 saidNo, the “trinitarian” would say,
The trinitarian will say:
... I am going to myself and I am greater than me ... hey and if you cannot understand that then you dont have the Holy Spirit ... lol
“Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”
(Hebrews 2:7-9)
Did you catch the part about Jesus Christ, while He was in human flesh, being “a little lower than the angels?” The author of Hebrews wrote it twice.
It’s remarkable that people don’t grasp Jesus, before His birth to the Virgin Mary, was of a higher status than during His earthly ministry.
Maybe this will help?
Fully God > Fully God and fully human.
@rajk999 said<<The first chapter of John never says that Jesus was not created. It says that Jesus was with God from the beginning. John is speaking of the beginning of the world, and not the beginning of time.>>
You should shut up when your church doctrine is proven to be nonsense.. The first chapter of John never says that Jesus was not created. It says that Jesus was with God from the beginning. John is speaking of the beginning of the world, and not the beginning of time. Prior to this world The Father and the Son had existed, and it was during this time the FATHER BEGOT A SON, Th ...[text shortened]... verse is 6,000 yrs old... and that is why your thinking and your doctrine, on this matter is flawed.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
(John 1:1-3)
“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
(John 1:14)
You really think those verses say Jesus Christ was a created being? How do you interpret the last four words of Verse 1?
